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#198847 - 03/24/10 01:36 PM Battery advice for digital camera
Compugeek Offline
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Registered: 08/09/09
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While it's not exactly survival oriented, this is by far the friendliest of the forums I haunt, so I'll ask here:

I have a digital camera that runs on 2 AA's. It frequently sits for a couple of weeks or more between uses, and I'm tired of picking it up and finding the batteries dead. There is apparently some trickle drain, even when it's off.

I'm thinking of using 2 pairs of some kind of rechargeable, and keeping the batteries next to it on the shelf between uses. If I'm taking it with me, I'd pop them in for the duration. And I'd always have a fresh pair available.

It has a memory card for pictures, so I'm not worried about losing them with no batteries in the camera. I don't use the "date in picture" feature, so I don't care if the internal clock is current.

The different kinds of batteries available today just leave me confused as to which is best for this particular usage. Your thoughts?
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#198848 - 03/24/10 01:45 PM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: Compugeek]
Eugene Offline
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For occasional use like that you want low self discharge NiMH. Sanyo Eneloop, Rayovac Hybrid, Maha Imedion, etc. I use those with all my gear, one set in the camera, gps, etc, the other ready to go.
I would try with a set of them in and see if it still drains, sometimes drain is caused by the batteries internal resistance rather than the device itsself.
Also remember a decent charger, most of the ones you find in box stores are crap, the powerex maha, or lacross are the best.
Between the wife and kids and I we have 4 digicams, two GPSs, two way radios, and various other battery powered toys. I use eneloops in all the primary gear such as our GPS's, scanner, etc and the maha in the kids cameras and good toys, nintendo wii remotes, etc (the maha seem to be just as good as eneloop, I just use the black and white batteries to tell them apart.
I have two chargers, a maha c401fs and a maha c9000. About once a year I'll run a test on the batteries with the refresh cycle on the c9000 to see how they are holding up.

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#198863 - 03/24/10 03:30 PM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: Eugene]
dougwalkabout Offline
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Originally Posted By: Eugene
For occasional use like that you want low self discharge NiMH. Sanyo Eneloop, Rayovac Hybrid, Maha Imedion, etc. I use those with all my gear, one set in the camera, gps, etc, the other ready to go.

Also remember a decent charger, most of the ones you find in box stores are crap, the powerex maha, or lacross are the best.



+1.

Sanyo Eneloops seem to be the best performers.

I also have a bunch of Duracell Pre-Charged Rechargeables and they seem excellent. HINT: if possible, buy the white-tops (made in Japan) as opposed to the black-tops (made in China). You'll get better performance.

I can't overstate the importance of a good charger. I'm having really good results from the Duracell Mobile Charger CEF23DX4N (got advice from CPF). Individual charging channels, 12VDC or 110VAC operation, and it won't cook your batteries. I was even able to bring a bunch of old Energizer 2500s back from the dead with this charger. You can find them on sale for under $20.


Edited by dougwalkabout (03/24/10 03:34 PM)

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#198871 - 03/24/10 05:11 PM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: Compugeek]
Arney Offline
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I just bought a simple digital camera not that long ago, too. Most these days seem to use their own proprietary rechargeable lithium ion battery pack. I specifically got it because it takes AA batteries since any lithium ion battery has a fairly finite lifespan and I will likely not need to buy another digital camera for quite a few years, and that style of battery pack may not even be available at that point. But I digress.

Well, the first part of the solution definitely would be to store the camera with the batteries removed.

However, depending on how much you use your camera and how often, let me toss out another option to going the rechargeable route. Besides the excellent suggestion to use a good quality rechargeable NiMH like the Sanyo Eneloop, another option would be lithium AA's, like the Energizer e2. High performance, long shelf life. Can be expensive if you buy them at the drug store, but much more reasonable if purchased online.

Actually, so far, I'm totally fine just using alkaline AA's and just making sure I remove the batteries in between uses. That one thing could be all you need to do.

Good luck!

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#198875 - 03/24/10 05:56 PM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: Arney]
Dagny Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
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Loc: Washington, DC

Ditto on the Sanyo Eneloops -- I use these in the external flash for my Nikon D90.

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#198878 - 03/24/10 06:33 PM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: Dagny]
Compugeek Offline
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Thank you all! Lots of good info!
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#198893 - 03/24/10 10:56 PM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: Arney]
hikermor Offline
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Originally Posted By: Arney
Besides the excellent suggestion to use a good quality rechargeable NiMH like the Sanyo Eneloop, another option would be lithium AA's, like the Energizer e2. High performance, long shelf life. Can be expensive if you buy them at the drug store, but much more reasonable if purchased online.

Actually, so far, I'm totally fine just using alkaline AA's and just making sure I remove the batteries in between uses. That one thing could be all you need to do.

Good luck!


Consumers Reports recently (December , 2009, I believe) did controlled testing of lithium, rechargeable, and alkaline batteries in cameras. The results were that, on a per picture basis, lithiums were cheaper to use than all but one brand of alkalines. Rechargeable Eneloops were cheaper still. The exception were Costco alkaline AA (Kirkland) bought at 11 cents per battery.

I would much prefer to use lithium or rechargeable units, and have the ability to leave the batteries in the camera, ready for quick use. No way am I putting alkaline batteries in anything of any real value to me.
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#198899 - 03/25/10 12:16 AM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: hikermor]
Eugene Offline
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I ran our 'big' camera on Lithium before, ~500 pictures. Tried Eneloops "fresh" out of the package and got 450 shots. The date code on them they had been sitting for 9 months.

I would try the camera stored with decent batteries in and see if they work. Even though you may not care about the date/time now you may years later, not just the ugly yellow numbers they make to mimic crappy film but the pictures themselves have the date and time (as well as a lot of other info) stored in data fields on them. I was given pictures of mine from when I was young and my parents can't remember which year they were taken even.

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#198907 - 03/25/10 03:04 AM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: ]
Teslinhiker Offline
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Registered: 12/14/09
Posts: 1418
Loc: Nothern Ontario
Originally Posted By: IzzyJG99
I use Energizer Rechargeable Nickel-Metal Hydride. Not quite the best, but readily available and quite good. I use them in my Digital Camera and GPS as well as headlamp and handlight. What I like about the Energizer is they sell a 2xAA/2xAAA USB Charger that works with my Soldius Solar Charger.


What I don't like about the Energizer USB charger is that many were were shipped with a Trojan that if plugged into a Windows pc can allow the pc to be vulnerable to unauthorized remote system access.

Also and in general, the self discharge rate on the these types of NiMH batteries are fairly high and it is not uncommon to see the charge drop by 30% or more per month if the batteries are not being used.

In comparison, Eneloop batteries have a very low self discharge rate and can maintain upwards of a 85% charge rate over several months.

If you are the type who constantly uses and recharges batteries on a regular basis then traditional NiMH batteries will suffice. On the other hand, if you don't have the need to recharge constantly and are looking for long term, low self discharge rates then Eneloops (or other similar types) are the way to go. Nowadays, there is little or no price difference between the 2 types so I stick with Eneloops.

On a related note, I have about 15 NiMH batteries in mostly AA size and a few AAA also. There is a mix of brands: Energizer, Rayovac and Panasonics ranging from 2000mAh to 2600mAh

These batteries have had little or no use and or charges/discharges. I am willing to give them away for free and will ship them at no cost, preferably within Canada to anyone who has a use for them. PM me if anyone is interested.
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#198922 - 03/25/10 02:49 PM Re: Battery advice for digital camera [Re: Teslinhiker]
dougwalkabout Offline
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