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#187485 - 11/04/09 08:53 PM Don't take a gun to a bat fight?
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Don't take a knife to a gun fight. Or is that 'Don't take a gun to a bat fight'?

Urban Crime Control: The perp had two guns, and still lost the fight:
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/11/phoenix_man_severely_beaten_by.php

From another article: "None of the residents, several of whom suffered cuts and bruises in the altercation, will face charges because they have the right to defend themselves... Pare, who is from Tucson, has quite a rap sheet, including, among other things, arrests for armed robbery and assault."

Oh, my! *grins*

Sue

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#187487 - 11/04/09 09:07 PM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: Susan]
tomfaranda Offline
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Registered: 02/14/08
Posts: 301
Loc: Croton on Hudson, NY
And they may charge the victims !?

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#187489 - 11/04/09 09:13 PM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: tomfaranda]
oldsoldier Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
Posts: 742
Loc: MA
Well, as one person pointed out, once he was no longer a threat, they SHOULD have stopped. However, I think the guy got whathe deserved-be he will try to rob again though.
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#187491 - 11/04/09 09:39 PM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: oldsoldier]
Russ Online   content
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 4414
Loc: SOCAL
Quote:
. . .Pare managed to get himself out of the courtyard and into the parking lot of the apartment complex, where he fled in a 2007 Dodge Nitro. He was located by the Phoenix Police Air Support Unit and taken into custody.. . .
Looks to me like was never out of the fight or unconscious since he was still mobile and could see well enough to drive. That being the case, he was still a potential threat.

Loved the reporter's vernacular:
Quote:
. . . found himself a baseball bat that he used to rearrange parts of Pare's head and face.
. . . - then it was party time.
Judging by the photo/mug shot, Pare's lucky to be alive. Baseball bat and a 2x4 and the guy walked out -- amazing.

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#187495 - 11/04/09 10:10 PM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: Russ]
oldsoldier Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
Posts: 742
Loc: MA
Dont get me wrong-I think the guy got what he deserved. But, the law will look at it as once he was disarmed, he was no longer a threat. Now, if it were me...the only two that wouldve witnessed any of it would be the burglar and myself-and, the only one left alive to tell the story wouldve been me...
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#187504 - 11/04/09 11:41 PM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: NightHiker]
celler Offline
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Registered: 12/25/03
Posts: 410
Loc: Jupiter, FL
Never forget, there are two parts to any use of force situation. First, the physical fight, then the potential legal fight. The second one could be almost as dangerous if you live in a jurisdiction with an anti-gun, anti-self-defense prosecutor. Do yourself a favor and learn what is justified use of force in your jurisdiction. It will certainly be different in New York vs. Texas. Resist the temptation to tell your side of the story in the heat of the moment after a dramatic event. Getting in touch with your attorney could save you thousands of dollars and many sleepless nights later. Sad, but unfortunately, likely true.

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#187520 - 11/05/09 01:10 AM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: celler]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Guns vs party... if that ever went to court, I would want some informed jury members in the box.

But in this case, the public sentiment could make prosecution embarrassing.

Sue

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#187521 - 11/05/09 01:20 AM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: Susan]
scafool Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 1534
Loc: Muskoka
The Perp was lucky the folks at the party were so gentle with him.

Nobody decided to do his hands, wrists and elbows or his feet and knees.
I read nothing about broken ribs or bleeding kidneys either.
Not even a broken jaw and a few teeth gone.

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#187527 - 11/05/09 03:19 AM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: scafool]
Pete Offline
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Registered: 02/20/09
Posts: 1115
One of the few good things about crime ... is that criminals often do stupid stuff. This story is no exception. Lucky the robber wasn't too careful about watching who was behind him. As for the party attendees - good for them!

Pete

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#187529 - 11/05/09 03:36 AM Re: Don't take a gun to a bat fight? [Re: Pete]
Redbeard Offline
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Registered: 08/25/08
Posts: 22
Loc: CA state of confusion
this kind of stuff should happen to all criminals. i bet crime would REALLY drop.

every gangbanger who ever pulled a knife should get a visible scar from their would be victim to remind them of what a screw up they are.
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