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#176781 - 07/18/09 06:25 PM Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res
duckear Offline
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533641,00.html


CONCORD, N.H. — A Massachusetts teenager who spent three nights alone on Mount Washington in April after he sprained an ankle and veered off marked trails has been fined more than $25,000 for the cost of his rescue.






Ouch.



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#176782 - 07/18/09 06:33 PM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: duckear]
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Negligent, right?
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#176783 - 07/18/09 06:39 PM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: Todd W]
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What is amazing is how selective the .gov is applying the label "negligent".


Welfare mom that smokes putting her kid with asthma in the hospital repeatedly?
No prob with that. But let an Eagle scout twist his ankle and make the wrong decision on the trail? $25K fine.







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#176785 - 07/18/09 06:52 PM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: duckear]
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Originally Posted By: duckear
What is amazing is how selective the .gov is applying the label "negligent".


Welfare mom that smokes putting her kid with asthma in the hospital repeatedly?
No prob with that. But let an Eagle scout twist his ankle and make the wrong decision on the trail? $25K fine.




Exactly.

Our gov working "Together".
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#176787 - 07/18/09 07:13 PM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: Todd W]
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Let us just remember not to get all political all over this story.

From the story:
"Mason has until August 9 to pay the bill; he could also take the state to court to contest the fine."

For me I hope they do put this before a judge and he strikes it down. It seems like a patently unfair application of the concept of negligence.

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#176792 - 07/18/09 08:21 PM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: scafool]
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It seems in my experiance on this forum, it is only polic
Originally Posted By: scafool
Let us just remember not to get all political all over this story.



It seems to be deemed political on this forum if you are on the
wrong side of the issue.

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#176796 - 07/18/09 08:49 PM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: clearwater]
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Originally Posted By: clearwater


It seems to be deemed political on this forum if you are on the
wrong side of the issue.

Touche
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#176803 - 07/18/09 09:54 PM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: duckear]
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Sounds a little harsh, especially when considering this story

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8155398.stm


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#176804 - 07/18/09 09:58 PM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: ]
celler Offline
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Originally Posted By: IzzyJG99
Charging this kid isn't right. Charging idiots who active a PLB because they realize they bit off more than they chewed? Yes.


I'm not willing to even go that far. I don't want someone who may be in real trouble deciding not to activate a PLB because of concerns with financial consequences. If we start acting like Monday morning quarterback on each rescue, its very easy to find some form of "negligence" involving each victim.

I think PLBs present a great opportunity to save lives. However, they have not yet been widely accepted. New, lower cost PLBs are going to help. But tying a financial liability to it will turn people off and send them to an inferior device that might have some type of rescue insurance attached to it.

Its not perfect, but I look at each rescue as a training opportunity and I've never even thought about punishing someone who may have stupidly gotten themselves into trouble.

Craig.

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#176809 - 07/19/09 12:30 AM Re: Eagle Scout Lost on Mountain Fined $25,000 for Res [Re: celler]
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I think it's a very very fine line myself... to charge, or not.
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