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#172667 - 05/04/09 03:03 AM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
raptor Offline

Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 284
Loc: Europe
There is a strategy for battoning with a small knife that could be applied to folder (crack the top of the wood by light batoning with knife, insert an improvised wooden wedge and batton it through the wood - I hope you understand, my English is not best :)). However it´s far from quick or straightforward.
If I lost a fixed b. I would surely call up the folder and try to improvise.

I think everyone here agrees on folder being a compromise. I was just surprised to see absence of FB in Jim´s hiking/survival kit. Without it the kit seemed incomplete, but since there are places where folder is not worth the trouble associated with carrying it, I understand. In that case I would add some kindling to the kit (one Maya stick or more for example) so one will not have to split (a lot of) wood if it ever comes to it. Jim mentioned rain and rain means wet wood. smile

#172669 - 05/04/09 04:21 AM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: JIM]
Xterior Offline

Registered: 06/25/05
Posts: 148
Originally Posted By: JIM
Also you could get some strange looks over here for carrying a fixed-blade knife.

This is even true if they see your folder overhere. People are way to scared overhere, and forget the importance of basic tools.
They even look if they see an alien if I use a piece of cord and knots to attach stuff.

I can remeber when I was a kid that my grandfather alway's carried a pocketknife wich was not a problem at that time.

Carrying a fixed blade in the wrong places, can even get you into trouble with the law overhere.

#172677 - 05/04/09 02:36 PM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: TeacherRO]
RifleWaters Offline

Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 3
I think the items you listed are good items to have. There are a couple items that should
be added. First, you know when your body is under stress it goes through your bodies
vitamins, minerals & water much quicker than it would under normal conditions. Problem
is you cannot carry enough water with you. One of the largest causes of death in a disaster
is being dehydrated & out of fuel(vitamins). The young & the elderly are the first to have
So the two things, I have added to my BOB is a aquamira filter straw. Do not buy one off
of the aquamira website though because you can get them cheaper on other sites, just google
The second item is called Lifecaps. They are capsules that have all the vitamins & minerals
even Iodine to sustain life. You can live off of the lifecaps & water alone. If you want
to learn more about them go to Lifecaps.net
After buying 25 bottles, I got a coupon code & got 75 more bottles. The coupon code is
It will get you 30% off. Now with a water filter & healthcaps you can carry & fit much
more in your bug out bag. Easily carry enough food with the capsules to sustain life for
months. You cannot live without water.

#172687 - 05/04/09 04:27 PM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: RifleWaters]
raptor Offline

Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 284
Loc: Europe
That´s good point about the vitamins. And something like the mentioned Lifecaps could be smart addition to my own kit. I will see if I can find something similar at stores in my country.

#172693 - 05/04/09 05:10 PM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: raptor]
JIM Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 1032
Loc: The Netherlands
I've got ORS in my kit, in a short-term survival/overnight situation you don't need vitamin supplements and iodine..
''It's time for Plan B...'' ''We have a Plan B?'' ''No, but it's time for one.'' -Stargate SG-1

#172702 - 05/04/09 06:26 PM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: JIM]
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Knife paranoia isn't limited to Europe. I had to take a drug test for a job and emptied my pockets into a tray. The medical assistant got wide eyed- 'You carry a knife! uh, wh-wh -what do you do with it?' I replied 'I cut things.' I walked into the bathroom as she attacked a FED EX parcel shipping tape with her car keys.

later I testified in our local small claims court. I ( in spite of myself) haven't been in a courtroom in 20 years and forgot how things have changed. My knife set off the alarm and back into another tray it went.
After court I went to retrieve it and was informed it was in the sherrif sub station office BACK INSIDE. So I walked back into court, the officer handed it to me and lectured me to leave it in my car next time. I'm standing there, with the knife and asked how I was supposed to leave? He sarcastically sugested walking. So I did, past all the Judge Judy types with my knife, past the checkpoint to my car.
We live in a sometimes illogical society that doesn't logically reflect the real world. you just have to -be equipped to survive it.

#172708 - 05/04/09 07:05 PM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: RifleWaters]
Matt26 Offline

Registered: 09/27/05
Posts: 309
Loc: Vermont
Does anyone else smell a commercial?
If it ain't bleeding, it doesn't hurt.

#172710 - 05/04/09 07:44 PM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: Matt26]
Blast Offline
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Registered: 07/15/02
Posts: 3561
Loc: Spring, Texas
You mean how his first three posts all mention Lifecaps or whatever that magic space food is? confused

Seems a bit fishy, doesn't it?

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#172756 - 05/05/09 04:19 AM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: ]
MDinana Offline

Registered: 03/08/07
Posts: 2184
Loc: Deep south... Carolina
and in fact, almost identical wording about his LifeCaps.

Yeah, have fun scarfing vitamins (and Iodine! wow!) and forgetting the food. There's a reason vitamins come in micrograms and food comes in pounds you know.

Stop pushing the AquaMira stuff too. Though that's probably a bit more useful.

#172838 - 05/06/09 05:33 PM Re: What I carry outdoors/hiking-kit [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
raptor Offline

Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 284
Loc: Europe
Well, I might rethink my strategy for my survival kit. I looked up how fixed blade is received in various countries in Europe and on other continents and it doesn´t look good. Looks like good folding knife with middle-sized blade is predominantly safer choice when traveling abroad. And sometimes carrying multi tool is even better because it looks less dangerous than a knife.

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