#166962 - 02/12/09 01:36 PM
Re: Senator trying to ban all folding knives in Ha
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Three things about the video: 1)I noticed the email 2)So that's what Ken Onion looks like - Too Bad they could not also do Tom Mayo 3)Why, oh why, does Ken have to show off the assited opening - too many people think "switchblade"
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#166965 - 02/12/09 01:40 PM
Re: Senator trying to ban all folding knives in Hawaii
[Re: Lono]
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All too true my friend, and we are certainly all entitled to an opinion. If our views never varied, we'd end up with nothing to discuss eventually. You may be right about the illogical aspects too. Just because it doesn't make sense to me doesn't mean it won't make sense to somebody. I have to admit, in my lifetime I've met many people who's logic I never understood, and probably wouldn't want to, but some of them were quite interesting to listen to anyways, kinda like a horror movie can be interesting. 
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#166985 - 02/12/09 04:55 PM
Re: Senator trying to ban all folding knives in Ha
[Re: benjammin]
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Any sort of request which has no basis in fact, no empirical evidence that would support such a position, or otherwise goes against the sensibilities of the common man would be frivolous or worse. Global warming, along with knife and gun control, are frivolous at the least, and possibly capricious or even malicious in intent. Their ends cannot be justified nor rationalized, they are purely the result of emotive expression or perhaps reactionary.
Lawmakers have a responsibility to the public not to waste their time, nor their staff's time, nor the floor's time, in developing or bringing such ridiculous motions. The magnitude of the cost is not the issue. Waste is waste. Even more so if they go on the record against such a position, for the very notion that a legislator would oppose such a position would by its nature make it at the least frivolous in context. That is just plain logic. It is as ridiculous as asking them to put forth the motion that the sky be called now and hereafter green rather than blue. The good senator made the comment "Because the Hawaii constitution allows only legislators to introduce bills..." I seem to remember another constitution that says the people of this nation have the right to keep and bear arms, and that that right shall not be infringed. If a constituent sends this to him, he should thank them for their interest and tell them 'Unfortunately I cannot even introduce this bill since it is so obviously unconstitutional.'
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#167015 - 02/13/09 12:07 AM
Re: Senator trying to ban all folding knives in Ha
[Re: snoman]
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I seem to remember another constitution that says the people of this nation have the right to keep and bear arms, and that that right shall not be infringed. That is the other reason why, we thought this was serious, I had suggested not bringing Heller into this. Never show your hand during the first few antes- keep it focused on tools. There is nothing in the Constitution about tools. There isn't a single amendment that regulates the ownership of can openers, screw drivers and sewing machines, but you really can look silly trying to regulate them. Then again, I'm also the guy who says that we should try taking on bans of "ugly" guns as a freedom of speech issue. First Amendment gives you as much right to own an ugly rifle as you have to sing off key.
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#167032 - 02/13/09 10:14 AM
Re: Senator trying to ban all folding knives in Hawaii
[Re: aloha]
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British law is quite specific that short, folding knives are de-facto tools rather than weapons. Slipjoints only. Anything with a lock is a no no. "Folding" is now interpreted to mean a knife which folds directly, without a lock. However, it's wrong to say that "anything with a lock is a no no". They are legal to manufacture, sell, own etc, and legal to use in public with reason (just as fixed-blade knives are; they've not been banned either). They are considered tools not weapons if you are using them as a tool. (For the record, I live in England and own two of Doug's fine locking folders, and one of his fixed blades, quite legally. I wouldn't want a misunderstanding of British law to influence new US law.)
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#167052 - 02/13/09 05:15 PM
Re: Senator trying to ban all folding knives in Hawaii
[Re: Brangdon]
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British law is quite specific that short, folding knives are de-facto tools rather than weapons. Slipjoints only. Anything with a lock is a no no. "Folding" is now interpreted to mean a knife which folds directly, without a lock. However, it's wrong to say that "anything with a lock is a no no". They are legal to manufacture, sell, own etc, and legal to use in public with reason (just as fixed-blade knives are; they've not been banned either). They are considered tools not weapons if you are using them as a tool. (For the record, I live in England and own two of Doug's fine locking folders, and one of his fixed blades, quite legally. I wouldn't want a misunderstanding of British law to influence new US law.) Thanks for clarifying. My bad. I thought locking folders were not allowed to be carried generally.
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#167056 - 02/13/09 07:56 PM
Re: Senator trying to ban all folding knives in Ha
[Re: ironraven]
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That is the other reason why, we thought this was serious, I had suggested not bringing Heller into this. Never show your hand during the first few antes- keep it focused on tools. I agree - to a point. I can understand banning 'dangerous items' to those who are mentally unstable or to those with a criminal record, but not to the population as a whole. The people of this nation have the right to arms whether they like it or not or agree with it or not. They are bound to 'play by the rules.'
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