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#165344 - 01/27/09 09:39 PM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: jamesraykenney]
scafool Offline
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jamesraykenney +5

It is a good comment because a lot of people are confused about how ferrocerium or pyrites work and how they are different from the old time flint and steel.

The comment deserves this bump back up to the sidebar.


ps. With the old flint and steel you just want a light glancing blow to shave a thin enough sliver of the steel and the heat of friction is what makes it a spark.

Ferrocerium actually burns in a chemical reaction when it is sparked. This makes the spark from the Ferrocerium quite a bit hotter even though it becomes a spark at a much lower temperature.
The magnesium is added as an oxide and is just there to make the rod more brittle so it is easier to scrape sparks off of.

The rare earth magnets spark the same way and are usually nickel coated to prevent them from sparking or oxidizing.




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#165648 - 01/29/09 09:58 PM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: jamesraykenney]
EdD270 Offline
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JamesRayKenney and Scafool, Thanks for this info. I always like to know how things work, as well as if they work. As you say, knowing how they work makes it easier to make them work.
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#165681 - 01/30/09 01:52 AM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: EdD270]
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Loc: Beaumont, TX USA
Originally Posted By: EdD270
JamesRayKenney and Scafool, Thanks for this info. I always like to know how things work, as well as if they work. As you say, knowing how they work makes it easier to make them work.


Yes, it was a revelation to me, when I found out that wood(and most other things), does not burn, but that the GASES emitted by heated wood is what does the burning...
It makes a lot of the 'tricks' of fire making make a LOT more sense!

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#165724 - 01/30/09 04:23 PM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: EdD270]
raptor Offline
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Loc: Europe
Here is quite detailed explanation - Flint and Steel Notes &#8211; Some Clarifications
by Rob Bicevskis


Originally Posted By: scafool

The magnesium is added as an oxide and is just there to make the rod more brittle so it is easier to scrape sparks off of.


Regarding Aurora firestarter that I mentioned above this is not the case. A big amount of magnesium is integrated directly into the rod so when you strike you throw chunks of burning magnesium. The magnesium is there to make it more powerful.

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#165733 - 01/30/09 05:02 PM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: raptor]
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Originally Posted By: raptor
Here is quite detailed explanation - Flint and Steel Notes &#8211; Some Clarifications
by Rob Bicevskis


Originally Posted By: scafool

The magnesium is added as an oxide and is just there to make the rod more brittle so it is easier to scrape sparks off of.


Regarding Aurora firestarter that I mentioned above this is not the case. A big amount of magnesium is integrated directly into the rod so when you strike you throw chunks of burning magnesium. The magnesium is there to make it more powerful.


I will find out in a few days, when my order comes in... smile
This place sure costs me money...
I also got the super replacement scraper, but I did not get the case, as I plan to put it in a pocked of my BOB...
Did anyone notice they are making a flare launcher(?!?!) attachment for it? shocked

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#165734 - 01/30/09 05:19 PM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: jamesraykenney]
raptor Offline
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Originally Posted By: jamesraykenney

I will find out in a few days, when my order comes in... smile

Great. Itīs on my to-buy-in-not-so-distant-future list.

Originally Posted By: jamesraykenney

Did anyone notice they are making a flare launcher(?!?!) attachment for it? shocked

Yes.:)

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#165745 - 01/30/09 06:46 PM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: raptor]
scafool Offline
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That was an excellent link Raptor.
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#170737 - 04/06/09 11:25 PM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: raptor]
EdD270 Offline
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Registered: 12/03/08
Posts: 94
Loc: White Mountains of Arizona
Originally Posted By: raptor
Here is quite detailed explanation - Flint and Steel Notes &#8211; Some Clarifications
by Rob Bicevskis


Originally Posted By: scafool

The magnesium is added as an oxide and is just there to make the rod more brittle so it is easier to scrape sparks off of.


Regarding Aurora firestarter that I mentioned above this is not the case. A big amount of magnesium is integrated directly into the rod so when you strike you throw chunks of burning magnesium. The magnesium is there to make it more powerful.

Great link, Raptor. Thanks so much. Am I a wilderness geek or survival nerd now? LOL
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#170750 - 04/07/09 01:25 AM Re: Ultimate Survival Technologies Sparky Review [Re: EdD270]
raptor Offline
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Registered: 04/05/08
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No problem, Ed. These were quite important informations for me too when I came across the article. Itīs always good to know how stuff works.

Hehe, wilderness geek? Maybe smile.

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