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#162962 - 01/13/09 09:29 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: OldBaldGuy]
dweste Offline
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Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
Scroll down the page...


Silly me.

Thanks.

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#162990 - 01/13/09 11:51 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: Mike_H]
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FYI: "camo" per se is not prohibited by the Boy Scouts organization, but they do prohibit wearing of military uniforms or items thereof.
Old style flint and steel strikers cam be purchased at any store that sells official Boy Scout equipment, or online from the official BSA website. Prices are reasonable to cheap, and quality is generally good.
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#163087 - 01/14/09 01:57 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: EdD270]
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Originally Posted By: EdD270
FYI: "camo" per se is not prohibited by the Boy Scouts organization, but they do prohibit wearing of military uniforms or items thereof.
Old style flint and steel strikers cam be purchased at any store that sells official Boy Scout equipment, or online from the official BSA website. Prices are reasonable to cheap, and quality is generally good.


Hate to disagree with you on that, but camo is not considered appropriate attire by the BSA. Since "camo" mimics military uniforms (whether offical military issue or not) they are not allowed.

I found someone who had a very good article about it here:

Uniforming Article

It is also spelled out in the BSA Insignia Guide.

Sorry that this went a bit off topic.
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#163107 - 01/14/09 04:58 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: Mike_H]
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
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Originally Posted By: Mike_H
[quote=EdD270]
Uniforming Article



Wow, being that hard nosed is how Boy Scouts lost some of
their access to long time held public resources. Calling the
Sheriff?

Origional scout uniforms looked like the military uniforms
of the time.

On foul weather campouts, the cotton uniforms are hazardous too.

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#163114 - 01/14/09 05:22 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: clearwater]
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I think the issue was the dad making a stink out of it. Just have to learn to play together... LOL...

The new uniforms are definitely starting to address the issues with cotton.

The old uniforms did look a bit like military ones (as that was a basis of the scouts) but they are trying to get away from that concept. And they never did have camo in the scouts.

Remember our scout motto, if you can't see it from space, then it isn't a proper campfire. LOL!

But seriously, some of the scouting program could use some more revamps. I would like to see more about survival. The only "survival" kit I've seen in a scout store was the You Can Survive, which is pretty much worthless. As Doug called it, "You Can Eat".

Hmmm... marketing potential for Doug. See if he can get in with the Boy Scouts to sell the PSK.
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#163117 - 01/14/09 05:35 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: Mike_H]
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I built my first "official" fires as a Cub Scout and learned a few good outdoor habits as I progressed in Scouting. Those experiences were the springboard for lost summers in California's Sierra Nevada mountains. Most of the summertime fire danger prohibited open flames.

Coming at all this from a survival, primitive skill perspective is proving to be a lot of fun and not as easy as I thought. That darn hand-drill beats me up!

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#163126 - 01/14/09 06:08 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: clearwater]
scafool Offline
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Registered: 12/18/08
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Loc: Muskoka
Originally Posted By: clearwater

Origional scout uniforms looked like the military uniforms
of the time.


They still are uniforms. Badges, tie/bandana, sashes, epaulets, beret etc.
http://www.boyscouttrail.com/boy-scouts/boy-scout-uniform.asp

They look very much like US or NATO style military.
Just no camo so they don't look like survivalist militia types.

But this is straying a bit.


Edited by scafool (01/14/09 06:33 PM)
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#163139 - 01/14/09 06:57 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: Mike_H]
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1181
Loc: Channeled Scablands
Originally Posted By: Mike_H
I think the issue was the dad making a stink out of it. Just have to learn to play together... LOL...

The new uniforms are definitely starting to address the issues with cotton.

The old uniforms did look a bit like military ones (as that was a basis of the scouts) but they are trying to get away from that concept. And they never did have camo in the scouts.

Remember our scout motto, if you can't see it from space, then it isn't a proper campfire. LOL!

But seriously, some of the scouting program could use some more revamps. I would like to see more about survival. The only "survival" kit I've seen in a scout store was the You Can Survive, which is pretty much worthless. As Doug called it, "You Can Eat".

Hmmm... marketing potential for Doug. See if he can get in with the Boy Scouts to sell the PSK.


I remember some nice wool scout uniform shirt and pants we
used to have. My folks would have never let me take something
like that on a campout. For meetings only!

My initial negative reaction to this issue
came because as a young scout the best winter gear we could
afford was military surplus wool clothing and the occasional
poncho.

Scouts is great for scratching that itch kids have to try
out building a fire, using a knife or axe or 22 rifle but under
supervision.


Edited by clearwater (01/14/09 07:00 PM)

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#163143 - 01/14/09 07:03 PM Re: Group experience with fire-starting [Re: scafool]
Mike_H Offline
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Originally Posted By: scafool

They still are uniforms. Badges, tie/bandana, sashes, epaulets, beret etc.
http://www.boyscouttrail.com/boy-scouts/boy-scout-uniform.asp

They look very much like US or NATO style military.
Just no camo so they don't look like survivalist militia types.

But this is straying a bit.


Sure they are uniforms. You see a scout in uniform and you instantly know that he is a scout. The point was not wearing camo.

As an article put it, if you are wearing camo, you are trying not to be seen.
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