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#15510 - 05/03/03 01:08 AM Re: Steyr AUG
cliff Offline
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Registered: 05/12/01
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Loc: Louisiana
US military personnel are not allowed to carry personal firearms. Not in this day and age. (I know I wasn't.) Besides the political incorrectness of it, there are many practical reasons - logistical, training, and support - that argue against it. Also, a semi-auto AUG in the US is about $3,500.00 - when you can find one. If you're an E-5, would you risk that kind of personal cash when your Uncle will loan you an M-16A4 and some nifty optics? Me either. I do know some SF types, and they sometimes get to choose their weapon (from the SF armory) for certian missions. (Also, several chopper pilots I knew carried their own sidearm, but I don't think it was official policy)

Second - I also saw several images of a US soldier with an AUG. They were from the REUTERS website, I believe, and were taken during the clearing of Uday's palace - he was rather fond of gun collecting. One shows a trooper with the weapon up and ready, looking thru the sight, and another of a soldier with an AUG at sling arms. (he also had his M-4 in the same position). According to the captions, all of Uday's collection was truned in and "taken away" by the Army. Whatever that means. Oh, yes: the AUGs at Uday's - they were identified as "Austrian Assault Rifles" in news reports - were in crates indicating that they were originally sold to the Jordanian Army (according to the reports I saw).

Hope this helps,

.....CLIFF

P.S. Just to keep this screed on topic: a small bottle of iodine water purification tablets will fit rather nicely in the cleaning kit well in the stock of an AUG.......... <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#15511 - 05/03/03 02:03 AM Re: Blackhawk Down
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
There was a very silly idea in Vietnam that helicopter pilots shouldn't carry 1911s. The reasoning being a spent shell might jam the controls. A. Nobody planned on shooting their sidearm in the cockpit,inflight and B. just behind them was a door gunner throwing brass all over the deck. So the pilots were officially armed with M&Ps with that charming 158 GR FMJ bullet. This sillyness was circumvented by acquiring a venerable 1917 Colt or S&W in .45 ACP. In the shoulder holster the butts with lanyard ring looked identical. In the Coast Guard we could carry personal 1911 .45s ( when authorized) after the gunsmith checked them over for safety and standard harball ammo used exclusively. I used to cause a stir with my 1911 NAVY marked 3 digit piece <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#15512 - 05/03/03 11:41 AM Coast Guard memories
Anonymous
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Chris,
My best friend's dad was executive officer of the local Coast Guard base at John U. Lloyd State Park in Hollywood Florida before he retired and later passed away. He was second generation C.G. too, since the granddad had chased rumrunners from the base at Bahia Mar in the 1920's. I heard a thousand C.G. stories and classic gut busting jokes from my "other dad" Jimmy over the years while sitting at his dinner table before he'd have to run off back to work and coordinate a dope bust or some other brave endeavor. In later years we also shared some of the finest whiskey good men have ever had the pleasure to b.s. over. He was quite a storyteller, and very very missed. We've had boats in the family, and I've been at home on the ocean since I was a kid. I have the deepest respect for the fine job done by our Coast Guard men and women. Regards, Keys

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#15513 - 05/03/03 03:58 PM Re: Steyr AUG
Anonymous
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Well, I saw it when they were defending that head quarters building from angry protestors in Baghdad the other day. I think your right though, it was probably from Udays personnal collection.

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#15514 - 05/03/03 05:41 PM Re: Coast Guard memories
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
It is a great outfit. I still regret being unable to continue my career as planned. It is such a small outfit I literally always met somebody I had previously served with. Even 24 years later, in an Arizona swimming pool, the senior C.G. rescue swimmer, another former coastie and myself were connected with mutual friends. Try telling someone you loaned money to the Coast Guard Acadamy commandant on a friday night when his car ran out of gas ( teaching a local college boating sfety course) and you both pushed it into a station in full dress uniforms ( a full captain and a E2 <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> )

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#15515 - 05/04/03 02:13 PM Re: Steyr AUG
Anonymous
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well,
I know that US special forces specificaly, Delta, have had their M4's chamberd for a new 6.8mm round 120gr. bullet at 2,700, with a 100gr. AP @3000fps, which uses the current magazines with only re-barreling..
After afganistan and Toras Bora, they realised the 5.56mm was pretty useless past about 200m, but then what can you expect using a 14" barrel?

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#15516 - 05/04/03 05:15 PM Re: Steyr AUG
Hutch66 Offline
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Registered: 10/12/02
Posts: 148
Loc: Virginia, USA
Where did you see the picture? I ask because maybe that news agency has a photo gallery on its website.


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#15517 - 05/04/03 05:21 PM Re: Steyr AUG
Anonymous
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BBC news

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#15518 - 05/09/03 05:20 AM Re: Steyr AUG
PeterR Offline
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Registered: 05/31/01
Posts: 47
Loc: Wollongong [ 34.25S 150.52E ] ...
As a matter of interest I noticed on at least one encounter near Basra early in the piece that a US squad were using 'marksmen' rifles when they were standing off a village at several hundred yards. Anyone know what they were using? I also watched a doco on 'snipers' on the History Channel recently where, again, the latest weapon of choice in the sniper units was a long, heavy barrelled weapon. Might have even been a manual weapon.
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#15519 - 05/09/03 05:25 AM Re: Steyr AUG
PeterR Offline
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Registered: 05/31/01
Posts: 47
Loc: Wollongong [ 34.25S 150.52E ] ...
And another thought; I remember reading that the old water-cooled Vickers machine gun, circa WW1, set the standard for automatic weapon accuracy over 1000 yards, for many years. <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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