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#149349 - 09/17/08 02:57 PM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: OldBaldGuy]
Eugene Offline
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Registered: 12/26/02
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doesn't even have to go that far, just some thought into placement would help. My old house the lines beside it were placed right through the center of the trees. So after the big ice storm of 2005 which knocked out power for most everyone they came by and completely butchered the tree. Well fast forward to 2008 the tree recovered and grew back around the lines and tore them down in a big wind. There is a big wide open field beside the trees that they could run the wires and not have to pay someone overtime to come trim the tree after a disaster and have to pay someone else overtime to replace the wires.

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#149386 - 09/17/08 07:00 PM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: Eugene]
CAP613 Offline
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Registered: 06/22/05
Posts: 87
Loc: W. PA
How abuot we decenterise the power system so the power does not have to be moved as far. This would reduce the need for power mains except for industry. I think for many homes a solar/wind system could provide much of the needed power and that would also help reduce the load on the gird system. Keeping the power line right of ways clear seems to help as far as damage to the lines. Iknow it has helped around here. Putting as much as possiable underground would help but it is harder to service and so if your power does go out it will be out longer. Just a thought.
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#149409 - 09/17/08 09:04 PM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: Grouch]
RayW Offline
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Registered: 12/06/01
Posts: 601
Loc: Orlando, FL
Originally Posted By: Grouch
What is a smooth shingle?


Sorry i didn't explain that very well, not an architectural shingle just a plain three tab shingle.

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#149427 - 09/17/08 11:39 PM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: RayW]
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Underground homes make excellent sense on many levels, from cost of materials to insulation to saving land space for greenery, to safety from hurricanes and tornados. The list goes on. Even the lowly rodent is smart enough to make its abode underground.

And man? Much to intelligent to do something like that. Man would rather fight with nature. Guess who wins?
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#149430 - 09/17/08 11:48 PM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: RobertRogers]
BobS Offline
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Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 924
Loc: Toledo Ohio
Originally Posted By: RobertRogers
And man? Much to intelligent to do something like that. Man would rather fight with nature. Guess who wins?


Overall I would say Man is winning. There are 7-billion of us on the planet and the number is going up every day.
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#149431 - 09/18/08 12:34 AM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: RobertRogers]
Todd W Offline
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Registered: 11/14/04
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Loc: Mountains of CA
Originally Posted By: RobertRogers
Underground homes make excellent sense on many levels, from cost of materials to insulation to saving land space for greenery, to safety from hurricanes and tornados. The list goes on. Even the lowly rodent is smart enough to make its abode underground.

And man? Much to intelligent to do something like that. Man would rather fight with nature. Guess who wins?


I think in some places this would be pretty dangerous... floods, earthquakes, etc?

I'd go for an underground house here we don't get many earthquakes and they are pretty small at that (Nor-CA) but it would need to be over engineered to make me happy.
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#149451 - 09/18/08 05:10 AM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: ]
Todd W Offline
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Originally Posted By: IzzyJG99
Originally Posted By: ToddW
Originally Posted By: RobertRogers
Underground homes make excellent sense on many levels, from cost of materials to insulation to saving land space for greenery, to safety from hurricanes and tornados. The list goes on. Even the lowly rodent is smart enough to make its abode underground.

And man? Much to intelligent to do something like that. Man would rather fight with nature. Guess who wins?


I think in some places this would be pretty dangerous... floods, earthquakes, etc?

I'd go for an underground house here we don't get many earthquakes and they are pretty small at that (Nor-CA) but it would need to be over engineered to make me happy.


An underground house on the top of a big hill in a non-earthquake zone and non flood plain, sure. Lol.


And non-fire zone smile

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#149459 - 09/18/08 10:42 AM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: CAP613]
Eugene Offline
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Registered: 12/26/02
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Originally Posted By: CAP613
How abuot we decenterise the power system so the power does not have to be moved as far. This would reduce the need for power mains except for industry. I think for many homes a solar/wind system could provide much of the needed power and that would also help reduce the load on the gird system. Keeping the power line right of ways clear seems to help as far as damage to the lines. Iknow it has helped around here. Putting as much as possiable underground would help but it is harder to service and so if your power does go out it will be out longer. Just a thought.


A lot of people are going the cheap route and putting in grid tied solar and wind systems. The problem with those is the local grids are not sized to handle it so those need upgraded as well.

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#149463 - 09/18/08 11:59 AM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: Eugene]
CAP613 Offline
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Registered: 06/22/05
Posts: 87
Loc: W. PA
Your are right and a grid tied system does you very little good in an emergency because as I understand it the inverter stops working if the grid power goes off to protect the utility workers.
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#149464 - 09/18/08 12:03 PM Re: Disaster Proofing the Grid?? [Re: CAP613]
Eugene Offline
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Registered: 12/26/02
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Not just that, but since there is no storage in a grid tied you have all that capability to generate power but no way to utilize it.
But the local grid also needs upgraded since your now sharing power rather than just pulling down a bit for yourself.

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