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#147484 - 09/05/08 12:38 PM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: Henry_Porter]
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I aint a-gonna touch that one with a ten foot pole in this forum, lest a moderator decide to send the thread down the memory hole.
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#147487 - 09/05/08 12:49 PM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: thatguyjeff]
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Not only no, but hell no...
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#147488 - 09/05/08 01:09 PM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: Nishnabotna]
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The laws of our country aren't the product of some evil cabal out to enslave people so much as our own fears. The solution is as always education. Educate your fellow voters and maybe we'll have a few less fear driven laws. Everyone wants to be safe and comfortable, sometimes we pursue that to our own detriment. We chose which leaders to vote for, we chose which news programs to watch and which newspapers to read. Our choices determine our future, we can't claim it was unjustly foisted upon us.

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#147534 - 09/05/08 06:42 PM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: Henry_Porter]
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It simply won't work. Tnhe cameras in casinos can identify you in seconds from the digital photos used in IDs now. Soon all cameras and photos will be like that.

If in 2025 you try and say you are someone your face says you aren't, you won't get away with it.
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#147549 - 09/05/08 08:18 PM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: TheSock]
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"...Tnhe cameras in casinos can identify you in seconds..."

Is that for real, or just on TV shows like Las Vegas???
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#147559 - 09/05/08 10:06 PM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
"...Tnhe cameras in casinos can identify you in seconds..."

Is that for real, or just on TV shows like Las Vegas???

It's real. It's just matching the patterns created by your facial features. I"m not sure if Vegas cameras are actually doing that or if they would be connected to some kind of ID database, but the technology exists .I BELIEVE that the British Govt using some kind of technology like that in their public surveillance cameras. I THINK they do that, but I know that the ability is there. I had thought that TSA was going to role out something similar at the airports to look for bad guys or something.
OTOH, I've been drinking tonight.

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#147591 - 09/06/08 01:02 AM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: Nishnabotna]
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In the old days, people used to mine cemeteries for kids that died young, and assume their identities.

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#147625 - 09/06/08 07:31 AM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
"...Tnhe cameras in casinos can identify you in seconds..."

Is that for real, or just on TV shows like Las Vegas???


I'ts for real. They showed it on a documentary. The reporter gave them a 10 year old pic and did everything he could to throw them off. big glasses, baseball cap, had lost weight, grew a thick beard... He was in about 1 second before their systems rang an alarm with his name flashing up.
They work on things like distance between facial features. So unless you have your ears eyes nose and lips moved around...
The quality of cctv pics is very poor in the UK judging from the 'crime watch' so i doubt they can do that now.
But the day will come. Try walking down the street when you are wanted in 10 years time and you won't get 2 steps without the cops systems flashing you up.
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#147627 - 09/06/08 07:42 AM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: TheSock]
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They are already using retina scans for ID at one UK airports. All ID checks will be like that soon.
When it comes to actually handing in an ID card to be checked, rather than just walking down the street you'd best be planning on eye implant.

Course if you are innocent this is all great. I ever get stopped and told 'you match the description of someone who robbed a bank yesterday' I'll simply tell them to check the cctvs at wherever I was.
And anyone trying to use my credit card will need my baby blues.
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#147631 - 09/06/08 10:15 AM Re: "Identity Farming" Do it for the kids? [Re: Nishnabotna]
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Originally Posted By: Nishnabotna
It's real. It's just matching the patterns created by your facial features. I"m not sure if Vegas cameras are actually doing that or if they would be connected to some kind of ID database, but the technology exists .I BELIEVE that the British Govt using some kind of technology like that in their public surveillance cameras. I THINK they do that, but I know that the ability is there. I had thought that TSA was going to role out something similar at the airports to look for bad guys or something.
OTOH, I've been drinking tonight.
That sort of thing has been trialled in UK airports, eg as reported by The Register. Whether it works is another matter. One report claims 100% accuracy, which frankly isn't credible, and another only recognised 30% of the faces it was supposed to. I'm doubtful that the casinos have better technology, and I'm wary of their vested interest in hyping up their success rate as a deterrence.

It's even less likely to work with public surveillance cameras because their quality isn't great, nor is the infrastructure. The UK government is better at cock-up than conspiracy.


Edited by Brangdon (09/06/08 10:18 AM)
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