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#147405 - 09/04/08 07:03 PM Re: Did Kasparov really lose to Deep Blue? [Re: CityBoyGoneCountry]
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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While I love Mythbusters, they too are hardly without reproach.One episode refuted sinking SHIPS sucking people down when sinking.The test involved a rather small boat of @ 30feet length.

I would tend to ask some noted survivors; IE of HMS HOOD and IJN YAMATO what exactly was pulling them down until they broke free via an escaping huge air bubble or vigorous swimming.

As to chess, anyone knows it's not true chess unless played in parks on sunny afternoons.

If IBM's Big Blue was a harbinger of the future, kindly some one have a 'intelligent' brute coomputational discussion with the majority of PCs who seem to go down on mere whims.

Several years ago Texas Instruments matched a calculator vs a chinese grandmother with her abacus.She cleaned TI's circuit boards everytime.


Edited by Chris Kavanaugh (09/04/08 07:07 PM)

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#147416 - 09/04/08 09:36 PM Re: Did Kasparov really lose to Deep Blue? [Re: CityBoyGoneCountry]
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Originally Posted By: CityBoyGoneCountry
Kasparov's main argument is that the computer made a move in game two that only a human being would have made.


*snickers* Or that a human would have programmed into a computer. Which particular move was it that Kasparov claims that only a human would have made? I've heard his claim, but I've never heard WHAT actual move it was. Now, here's the thing- you program a computer to win, and tell it how the pieces move. How many possible moves are there are on a chess board? It is a big database, but not insurmountable. That was just one more possible option, and the computer computed it had the best probability of a positive outcome.

I hear everyday "the computer screwed up" from people who can't bring themselves to admit they did it wrong and the computer did it right. And Kasparov has an ego that makes mine look tiny. Hmmm...

Oh, and some of the design, both hardware and software, was done about five miles from where I'm currently sitting. The word I've always heard around bars and restaurant tables about why Deep Blue was pulled apart was because it was too heat sensitive and had detectable performance degradation towards the end of the match. However, I will concede that that is a point in support for the conspiracy theorists. But if the thing was going to fry itself in under a thousand hours, IBM would bury it to save face. This is what the people inside IBM whom I know are saying, nothing about stuffing a bunch of chess masters in a box and not letting them out if they don't win. With custom components, I'd keep the stupid thing in a clean room-type enclosure to, with minimal EM interference.

If we are going to have a grassy knoll, let's find the trigger man. Or at least a smoking gnome. I will reiterate my first point- who were these chess masters?
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#147417 - 09/04/08 09:41 PM Re: Did Kasparov really lose to Deep Blue? [Re: BobS]
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Originally Posted By: BobS
Originally Posted By: GoatRider
Along the same line, did NASA really land on the moon?


Yes


I find it hard to believe people think we didn’t land there.

MythBusters just did a show on this 3 or 4 days ago. They ripped apart all the CT arguments.


Yes, I saw that. I was being a snot.
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#147419 - 09/04/08 10:12 PM Re: Did Kasparov really lose to Deep Blue? [Re: ironraven]
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Or at least a smoking gnome.


I smoked a gnome once. The smug little fella had it coming, all smirky in his big red hat. cool

-Blast, because someone had to be the voice of reality in this thread (or maybe just the voice of really high-powered cold medicine. laugh )
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#147422 - 09/04/08 10:48 PM Re: Did Kasparov really lose to Deep Blue? [Re: Art_in_FL]
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Kind of like a "Blake's Seven" set. It could have been theatrical props and I wouldn't know the difference.


Blakes Seven, now that's when TV was watchable. Ahh Saturday mornings in the 1970s watching Blakes Seven , Space 1999 , Captain Scarlet , UFO, Dr Who and The Tommorow People



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