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#14532 - 04/05/03 03:37 PM Re: Exactly. . . .

Actually, I thought a whistle would be useful if you are in a crumbled mess of a building and search and rescue teams are looking for survivors... Wouldn't the whistle help them find you? You may not be able to yell, or yell loud enough. Just a thought. [color:"blue"] [/color]

#14533 - 04/05/03 03:59 PM How about a party sized air horn?

Keep a small air horn in my DayRunner. Would be easy for a woman to carry in a purse. Six bucks at Wally World. Regards, Keys

#14534 - 04/05/03 04:34 PM Re: Powerful, concealed 21st Century firearm

For penetration you cannot beat the Five seveN 5.7x28mm pistol. It will penetrate a PASGT vest at 300 meters, a PASGT helmet at 240 meters and a CRISAT vest at 100 meters. It only weighs 1.7 lb loaded and carrys 20 rounds.

#14535 - 04/05/03 06:40 PM Re: Stopping power? Statistical significance!
M_a_x Offline
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Registered: 08/16/02
Posts: 1125
Loc: Germany
The really interesting point is that the testers seemlingly had no preconceptions about the results.
I donīt intend to offend anyone but field tests like this one are not likely to produce really valid results. Even when youīre hunting the conditions canīt be controlled to the required extend. Even when shot with the same gun in the same spot different individuals of the same species react differently (most of the hunters that I know support that).
I fully second the importance of proper bullet placement though.
When I discussed the topic of the best bullet with hunting buddies we finally agreed that the joice was not rational but everyone was able rationalize his joice. Maybe thatīs why discussions on this topic can last for a long time.

If it isnīt broken, it doesnīt have enough features yet.

#14536 - 04/05/03 08:07 PM Re: Peta

Those Peta folks are something. We run into a sub-group of them when we go hog hunting. Those People Interested in Saving Swine Every Day keep throwing themselves in front of our swamp buggies. Regards, Keys

Edited by KeysBear (04/05/03 08:08 PM)

#14537 - 04/06/03 02:59 AM Re: Exactly. . . .

In almost any situation, a whistle is more effective, more distinctive, and less tiring, than yelling. In desert conditions, you are also going to expel far less vital moisture when using a whistle, compared to yelling.

If you are buried, tapping or banging is also going to be effective. And don't forget kibble for the search doggies....

#14538 - 04/06/03 04:12 PM Re: "shirt & tie" PSKs

if you go inot a cvs or other drug store , in the section where they have all the little travel soaps,shampoos and other little stuff there right there. basically there a little plastic box that has a flip lid on the long side. there about the same length as an altoids tin much skinnyer and a little wider

#14539 - 04/06/03 09:31 PM Re: "shirt & tie" PSKs
Craig Offline

Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
Thank you. I'll check into it.

#14540 - 04/06/03 09:50 PM Re: "shirt & tie" PSKs
Craig Offline

Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA

You mention "50 feet paracord...100 feet Spectra Kite line... mini multi tool, large multi tool..."

May I ask the make and model of your mini and large multitools?

Also, if you carry Paracord, why carry the Spectra Kite line too?


#14541 - 04/07/03 05:02 PM Re: Stopping power? Statistical significance!
Hutch66 Offline
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Registered: 10/12/02
Posts: 148
Loc: Virginia, USA
I agree completely, I guess my point was that it is never just one aspect, as some would believe, but a myriad of factors that go into any equation like this. I own a .270 and a .30-06, and the .270 doesn't see much action during deer season, but it would do the job just fine.
We could go on for weeks about this issue, (oh, wait, we have <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) but two of my favorite quotes I think sum up the issue quite well;
" A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .45"
"Sometimes it is entirely appropriate to kill a fly with a sledgehammer"


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