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#137657 - 06/25/08 08:33 PM Outward Bound hikers lost
Angel Offline
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11 hikers lost this time. Hope they find them safe. Here's the story... http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MISSING_HIKERS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

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#137667 - 06/25/08 09:53 PM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: Angel]
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Just read that they were all found safe. The story didn't give any details, just that they hiked out on their own. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MISSING_HIKERS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

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#137700 - 06/26/08 02:13 AM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: NightHiker]
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Here are a few more details. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MISSING_HIKERS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
I would think all the guides would have a sat phone. Could have avoided a search.

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#137721 - 06/26/08 04:06 AM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: Angel]
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"...have a sat phone. Could have avoided a search..."

Not always. I have seen NPS Rangers in the Mojave Desert, clear sky, no trees (duh), no cliffs (nearby), no nothing, be unable to make or receive calls on a sat phone...
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#137731 - 06/26/08 10:58 AM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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Registered: 07/08/07
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Loc: Northeastern Ontario, Canada
My experience with Sat. Phones is the same as OBG.

I have carried a Globalstar Sat. Phone for about 4 years. At first it worked great but in the past 2 years I was unable to place calls due to poor coverage. Only in the past couple of months have I been able to actually make a few calls.

Mike

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#137739 - 06/26/08 01:20 PM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: SwampDonkey]
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Maybe it has something to do with the military using the satalites in Iraq?
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#137758 - 06/26/08 02:11 PM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: climberslacker]
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It has to do with expense. Getting all Sat phones would increase cost so much they would have to drop one of the instructors from the trip. They are on a quite tight budget. An instructor is much
more useful than a Sat phone.

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#137761 - 06/26/08 02:20 PM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: clearwater]
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If I understand the article correctly, they did have a sat phone.

One of their leaders was scouting ahead, solo, and took the phone with him.

When the group didn't show up at the prearranged meeting place, he used the phone to bring in help.

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#137772 - 06/26/08 03:40 PM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: courierdebois
typical outward bound cheap cheezy macho crapola.. we are gonna fight momm a nature and win.." blah-blah.. my 2 courses in outdoor survival at 2 different comm colleges featured : ex viet nam vet /air born ranger type.. hillbilly from Pa.. and the other teacher was same, hillybilly from south ohio.. ex usaf.. radio intercept guy and special projects dude stationed in deuthchland, 1/2 kilometer from the fence"..i mean, who would u rather be lost out in the boonies with? your average nols or outward bound type, once they lose their 1800$ of back pack equipment produced in the 3rd world for like 43.57$-sold in us of A for 1800$ they are n big trouble..u keep challenging momma nature, u are in big trouble.. in hillyheaven where i grew up in upstate ny, allegheny mnt area- the old saying,we are not out of the woods -yet"applies..


Your instructors sound like outward instructors.

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#137779 - 06/26/08 04:15 PM Re: Outward Bound hikers lost [Re: climberslacker]
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Originally Posted By: climberslacker
Maybe it has something to do with the military using the satalites in Iraq?


Depending on which type of sat phone depends on which sats they communicate with... Either GEO or LEO.

The military does not task out commercial sats into different orbits. The orbits for the commercial sat phones are very much determined.

The non-reception really has to deal with available sats in the sky and surrounding terrain and available ground station if applicable.
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