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#136373 - 06/17/08 03:38 AM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: MDinana]
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15:2 is for 2 rescuer CPR on an infant or child IIRC, or thats what they taught us in CPRO, i think
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#136413 - 06/17/08 01:51 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: climberslacker]
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Boy, I was taught (and taught as an instructor), 5:1 for infants. Now, I just did some research and see that 30:2 is for EVERYONE. Why can't they leave things the same, us old guys have a hard time learning new stuff...
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#136435 - 06/17/08 02:48 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: OldBaldGuy]
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I did some poking on this and there might actually be some clinical reasoning for it.

Apparently there have been some studies that show the first compressions of CPR don't really do anything by themselves except build up some pressure...blood doesn't actually start to move until the later compressions once that pressure has built up a bit.

I can't find any hard facts unfortunately.

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#136442 - 06/17/08 03:05 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: ]
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OBG, the bad thing is once you start getting more advanced, it changes, as I said in my last post, its 30:2, unless you are doing 2 rescuer CPR, then it becomes 15:2, but only on an infant and child... Don't listen to me tho, go out and take the class, its really fun!
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#136447 - 06/17/08 03:14 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: climberslacker]
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In the course I took, 2 rescuer CPR was still 30:2.

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#136449 - 06/17/08 03:25 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hacksaw
In the course I took, 2 rescuer CPR was still 30:2.

Note that climberslacker said infant/child 2-person CPR is 15:2. 2-person CPR for an adult stays 30:2, which I assume is what you were being taught, Hacksaw. If not, then that doesn't quite jive with the 2005 standards.

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#136450 - 06/17/08 03:39 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: Arney]
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What I was taught is 30:2 for everybody under all conditions, ages, and scenarios, just like OBG mentioned above.

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#136452 - 06/17/08 03:46 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: ]
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Oh, duh, I forgot one more caveat--lay vs healthcare provider CPR. Lay person CPR is 30:2 for everyone, "professional" CPR splits between 15:2 and 30:2. Hard to keep that straight in my brain. Well, now you can see why regular folks are just taught 30:2 for everyone! crazy

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#136456 - 06/17/08 03:59 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: Arney]
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yeah, sorry for confuzuling all the lay responders here (as in the ones who only have CPR or less)
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#136476 - 06/17/08 05:05 PM Re: The CPR mask thread [Re: climberslacker]
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If you look at the algorithms in the Maryland EMS 2008 Protocols on page 45 (55 out of the total number of 348 pages) for Adults (> 8years old) and Page 47 (57 out of the total number of 348pages) for pediatrics (< then 8 years old) you will see that for adult patients (> 8years old) the rate is 30:2 and for pediatrics patients is: 1 rescuer CPR the rate is 30:2 and with 2 rescuer CPR the rate is 15:2

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