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#135956 - 06/13/08 06:34 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Blast Offline
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You are dead and yet not dead at the same time,


No, you are dead BEFORE you are alive which isn't any more of a paradox than being alive before you were alive. In 1000 AD there isn't a dead me and a live me at the same time (ala Schrodinger). From that prespective, it's no different than me being alive now and dead in the future. To the universe, there is no difference particle-wise between a living or dead creature. As one famous time traveler stated, "Life is just the Univierse's way of keeping meat fresh."

The live/dead situation you describe isn't the same as Schrodinger's Cat. In this case, both the live and dead me would exist and could be observed by the same observer at the same time. There would be no collapse of the waveform to a single state.

FYI, I have a master's in quantum physics.

In reality, whistle the paradox occured when the time travel took place. By traveling backwards in time you've essentially created matter and energy out of nothing. The amount of matter/energy in the universe is constant. The particles that eventually became you already existed back in 1000 AD. They can't exist there in two places at the same time. To the universe, it'd look like new matter suddenly popped into existence. The Universe HATES that when it happens.

Of course, this could be circumvented if you were recreated out of atoms present in the past, but that could be very messy if things went wrong.

-Blast, who would still hook up with performers, though a port city sounds good, too.
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#135957 - 06/13/08 06:44 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: Blast]
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I would like to pose a related hypothetical.

"If you were to travel back in time to 1000AD with Jeanette Isabella and Blast, once they began discussing quantum physics, how long would you WANT to survive."

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#135958 - 06/13/08 06:48 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: DesertFox]
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travel back in time to 1000AD with Jeanette Isabella and Blast, once they began discussing quantum physics,


LOL! Point taken. Jeanette, PM me if you want to discuss this more.

-Blast
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#135959 - 06/13/08 06:49 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: DesertFox]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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"...how long would you WANT to survive..."

Not long, considering the headache I am sure it would give me. Too much deep thinking for an old guy...
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#135960 - 06/13/08 06:49 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: Blast]
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Loc: Frederick, Maryland
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In reality, the paradox occured when the time travel took place. By traveling backwards in time you've essentially created matter and energy out of nothing. The amount of matter/energy in the universe is constant. The particles that eventually became you already existed back in 1000 AD. They can't exist there in two places at the same time. To the universe, it'd look like new matter suddenly popped into existence. The Universe HATES that when it happens.


Man you beat me - I will just have to travel back in time and post before you grin. Oh wait I can't do that ther would be too many atoms just then.

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#135961 - 06/13/08 06:50 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: DesertFox]
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I think I would want to hang with Blast. We could form a performing troop on our own. And, if horseflies attack, I'm sure they would go after him more! ;-)

I think that our colorful clothes would place us more along the lines of nobility... No one would be sure which nobility, but that could make things interesting... Speaking in odd tongues, wearing odd clothes that are brightly colored, definitely fit and free of disease...

I, for one, really am enjoying this thought exercise...
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#135963 - 06/13/08 06:56 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: Mike_H]
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Blast and JeanetteIsabella, hope you didn't take offense, just a little good natured ribbing after a night of no sleep and my 23rd cup of coffee.

Mike H, with that hat, you would probably be immediately declared King and Blast would have to start planning his coup. He has disclosed his plan for world domination here before. Why not get a 1000 year head start?

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#135964 - 06/13/08 06:59 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: Mike_H]
Russ Online   content
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With Blast's luck, he'd end up in 10,000 BC and would be sitting there in his cave admiring the fire he made from scratch, pondering how to catch the mice that infest his new dwelling and in would walk this little not quite domesticated feline. . . meoww smile

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#135966 - 06/13/08 07:00 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: Blast]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
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Originally Posted By: Blast
To the universe, there is no difference particle-wise between a living or dead creature.

Your right.

Originally Posted By: Blast
In reality, whistle the paradox occured when the time travel took place. By traveling backwards in time you've essentially created matter and energy out of nothing. The amount of matter/energy in the universe is constant. The particles that eventually became you already existed back in 1000 AD. They can't exist there in two places at the same time. To the universe, it'd look like new matter suddenly popped into existence. The Universe HATES that when it happens.

I don't see how. Don't forget that the universe is multi-dimensional. For every amount of space traveling back in time, there is an equal amount of space traveling forward in time.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#135971 - 06/13/08 07:04 PM Re: Survival Scenario: 1000 AD Western Europe [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Maybe we should ask Shirley MacLaine, she claims to have bounced back and forth in time quite a bit...
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