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#134730 - 06/04/08 05:13 PM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: climberslacker]
stevenpd Offline
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Registered: 09/15/07
Posts: 81
Loc: SoCal
Originally Posted By: climberslacker
Yep, CA knife laws are very strict!


Double edged knives are illegal here in California. They're very restrictive about concealment as well. For instance, you can only carry a knife if you are hunting, backpacking or other similar activity that would need one if the situation arises.
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#134738 - 06/04/08 05:32 PM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: stevenpd]
acropolis5 Offline
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Registered: 06/18/06
Posts: 358
Nice EDC set-up. I suggest you add 1-2 hot ironed yellow/ orange bandanas, inserted into a Gerber Breast Milk Bag. You can reinforce the bag edges with duct tape and even scotch tape on to the bag some extra flat rolled duct tape. Its a good pocket carry bandage/smoke mask/signal flag/dew rag. Works for me anyway.

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#134740 - 06/04/08 05:38 PM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: Paragon]
Still_Alive Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
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Loc: Utah
2 more questions:

1. Do you find the shroud on the Photon Microlight is beneficial? I think this is the only thing I've ever disagreed with Doug Ritter about (believe me, I cringe when I say that--the man is phenomenal, and he's forgotten more about this stuff than I'll ever learn; just ask my wife, it's bordering on hero worship!). I find that the side scatter on a key chain light is a good thing.

2. How hard is it to become competent with a Kubotan? I've read a lot of good things about them.
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#134749 - 06/04/08 06:12 PM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: Still_Alive]
Paragon Offline
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Registered: 10/21/07
Posts: 231
Loc: Greensboro, NC
Originally Posted By: Still_Alive
Do you find the shroud on the Photon Microlight is beneficial? I find that the side scatter on a key chain light is a good thing.

I actually prefer the more focused beam of the shrouded light, but that's obviously subject to individual interpretation by each of us. Most of my experience with flashlights has been with tactical lights such as Mag-Lites, SureFires, and Streamlights, so I guess that type of beam pattern just seems more natural to me.

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How hard is it to become competent with a Kubotan? I've read a lot of good things about them.

I'll let you know once I actually consider myself competent. In a pinch, rather than attempting to apply direct pressure to soft tissue via PPCT, simply holding the Kubotan and swinging the attached group of keys and mini-tools like half a pair of numchucks is pretty effective against boney targets.

Wrist locks/joint manipulation/escort techniques are a bit more difficult to master, although I don't really feel they are as critical in a purely defensive encounter.

Jim
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#134802 - 06/05/08 12:55 AM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: Paragon]
red Offline
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Registered: 02/24/07
Posts: 175
Nice, nice EDC. I wouldn't want to add much to that!

A definite +1 on the bandana, though.

Speaking of the kubotan, I use the same concept with my keyring, but without the (easily recognized to LEOs) Kubotan. I have a braided 550 with a firesteel on the end. Makes a great handle for a sap! I think wrist techniques are not going to usually work on a real assault. I've fought aikido guys before and wristlocks just didn't seem to be very effective.

When I'm developing an EDC plan, I always try to envision a police stop...how many weapons do I need to carry? For e.g., a stiletto in a leg rig would not go over well with my local LEOs. The cuff key would raise some eyebrows, I'd think. Do you carry cuffs as well?
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#134814 - 06/05/08 01:49 AM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: Mike_H]
AyersTG Offline
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Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 1272
Loc: Upper Mississippi River Valley...
I start all my fires with the BSA Hot Spark that I EDC. 'nuff said.

Tom

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#134821 - 06/05/08 03:01 AM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: AyersTG]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
I have those things stuck all over the place, including my key ring, and have started many a fire with them. They work, and are pretty inexpensive...
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#134822 - 06/05/08 03:04 AM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: red]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Registered: 09/30/01
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"...Do you carry cuffs as well?..."

I still have a few pair laying around in handy locations smile smile smile
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#134825 - 06/05/08 03:20 AM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: OldBaldGuy]
MDinana Offline
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Registered: 03/08/07
Posts: 2208
Loc: Beer&Cheese country
Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
"...Do you carry cuffs as well?..."

I still have a few pair laying around in handy locations smile smile smile


A few years ago I was dating a gal that worked on the ambulance with me. Anyway, we picked up our rig for the day, and found that the previous shift had transported an inmate. The officer's handcuff case had popped off his belt, with cuff's still inside.

Probably a good thing she and I didn't have keys... blush

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#134909 - 06/06/08 01:58 AM Re: Paragon's standard (and supplemental) EDC [Re: OldBaldGuy]
jaywalke Offline
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Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 172
Loc: Appalachian mountains
Why not just carry a full-sized mag as back-up? I have a Glock 22, and have been salivating over the 27. If I do get one for concealed carry, I'll add one full-size mag as back-up. I'd rather have one reload for 15 rounds than two reloads for 20.

Great kit, BTW.

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