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#132493 - 05/10/08 11:39 AM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: clearwater]
Spiritwalker Offline
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I'd suggest the Bushmaster ACR. Price is supposed to be $1500-$1600, modular design and construction (3 stocks, 3 forearms and a number of barrel lengths to choose from) so you can configure it as a SBR entry carbine (If you're willing to do the paperwork and pay the $200 NFA transfer tax.) on up to a precision/marksman's rifle and anything in between. It has ambidextrous controls, is 1/2 lb. lighter than a comparable AR, uses AR/M16 magazines, has gas piston operation and a quick change barrel system.

Another advantage with the modular design is they have plans to release conversions in various calibers including 6.8 SPC and 7.62x39 so you'd have even more versatility without having to buy or carry extra complete rifles. Myself, I'm planning on having an extra 18" barrel made in 6.5 MPC which is more appropriate for deer, feral pigs and black bear, (.223 not being legal for deer hunting here.) and only requires changing out the barrel as you'll see from the videos.

AR15 Shot Show 2008 video

YouTube-Future Weapons:Magpul Masada (Bushmaster ACR) video

Only drawback is that it hasn't been released for sale yet but it's due out sometime this summer.


Edited by Spiritwalker (05/10/08 12:01 PM)

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#132502 - 05/10/08 04:57 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: Spiritwalker]
BobS Offline
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Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 924
Loc: Toledo Ohio
I see no need for an Ar-15 or M-16 for a survival situation, even less so with a full auto one.

Yea they are fun to shoot and burn up ammo like crazy, but survival needs are better met with something else.
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#133352 - 05/20/08 05:46 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: Russ]
Mark_G Offline
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Registered: 03/16/06
Posts: 80
Loc: Stafford, VA
Originally Posted By: Russ
Mark,
Do you have any experience with teh SU-16 you'd like to offer?


Russ, I do not own one (nor would I) but I have handled several of Kel-tec's other models. I have been around firearms my whole life, it is a passion of mine, and I can tell you just from observation of the design, materials, and QC in the Kel-tec line that it does not meet MY standards of what I want to defend MY life with.
I'll shoot cans with you all day long with one though! smile

If you want to see a cheaper light semi-auto (though not in .223) that I would stand behind Here ya go:
The Beretta CX4 Storm
9mm
.40 S&W
.45 ACP

(make mine a 40 S&W)

http://www.cx4storm.com/



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#133353 - 05/20/08 05:53 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: Mark_G]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
Probably a nice rifle, but I doubt it's available in CA. That availability thing is a prerequisite to buying one.
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#133405 - 05/21/08 12:35 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: Russ]
Mark_G Offline
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Registered: 03/16/06
Posts: 80
Loc: Stafford, VA
They sell them at our local Gander Mountain here in Virginia.
Not sure what the laws are out there in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia....lol grin

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#133431 - 05/21/08 05:04 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: Russ]
ducktapeguy Offline
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Registered: 03/28/06
Posts: 358
Originally Posted By: Russ
Will it compete with an M-4 in CQB or a match tuned AR-15 on a range? No, but one of its more important attributes is that the SU-16CA version is available in CA, while AR-15's and many other rifles in that class are not. A lot of us who grew up with the Garand and M-14 thought that the M-16 was a POS; now I have a rifle with even more plastic and it works fine.


AR-15's aren't illegal in CA, but there are restrictions on how you can configure it. I can go out to my gunshop and pick one up today if I wanted to. In fact, a majority of the firearms aren't "illegal" in CA, it's just that some are much harder to acquire (legally) than others.





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#133439 - 05/21/08 05:56 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: ducktapeguy]
Nishnabotna Offline
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Registered: 12/31/07
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Loc: Nebraska
I would buy one of those. I'd like a carbine in a pistol caliber.

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#133447 - 05/21/08 06:43 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: Nishnabotna]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
Originally Posted By: Nishnabotna
I would buy one of those. I'd like a carbine in a pistol caliber.
From the OP:
Quote:
. . .Requirements:
.223 or .308 caliber. . .
Since he's in AZ, there should be no reason to settle for an SU-16 and I see no reason to go to a pistol caliber. Get a Bushmaster AR-15
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#133461 - 05/21/08 08:33 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: ]
ducktapeguy Offline
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Registered: 03/28/06
Posts: 358
Originally Posted By: BigDaddyTX
In CA for an AR15, they have to have a 10 round fixed mag. Get something better like an SKS if you're going that route. Not better, but cheaper and more accessories I guess.


Not true. There are way you can have a removable mag, or a higher capacity mag, or even some of the evil features like pistol grips with semi-removable mags, but at the expense of other features. So while you may not be able to get exactly the configuration you want, you're not as limited as you might think. It's complicated, best to do some research. A quick google will pull up a lot of sites like this.

http://www.paul.net/guns/CaliforniaRiflesU15.pdf




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#133466 - 05/21/08 10:27 PM Re: Rifle Choices [Re: ducktapeguy]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
IMO an AR with a fixed magazine is useless; what's the point? FYI, at tenpercentfirearms.com one place they sell the MonsterMan grip is the following quote:
Quote:
. . .Is the MonsterMan Grip CA DOJ approved? Of course not. The manufacturer attempted to get CA DOJ approval, but was he told that it was up to the 58 DAs in the State of California to determine the legality of the MonsterMan Grip. As a result the maker of MonsterMan Grip makes no claim that this device is California legal nor can he be held responsible for its misuse. . .
My three AR-15's are all "on-list" weapons so the lower receiver alone constitutes an assault rifle, let alone all the "evil features". Nahh, if it comes down to me needing something for HD, I'll use a 12 ga pump, the only evil features come out the barrel 9 at a time.
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