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#124219 - 02/18/08 02:10 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: GarlyDog]
BillLiptak Offline
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Registered: 12/19/07
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Like I said, I don't.....but the Misses doesn't like freaking the average person out. Its easier to use a smaller knife, keep the PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER. calm and the Misses happy......
On a side note I still remember "losing" a cold steel voyager, 5" blade at Universal Studios Orlando.... The look at lost and found from the clerk was great laugh I still remember describing it. When I got to the "5 inch blade" part he stopped me cold, walked to the back and returned my knife to me. His words "what the hell you need with such a large knife in here for? Hunting?" I just replied "nope, but if I wanted to its always nice to know I could"

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#124228 - 02/18/08 03:38 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: hikermor]
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I love being in the military where the reaction is far and away "Cool, what are you carrying" rather then "EEK! What are you carrying".

Out in public though, I carry SAK either a Tinker or Bantam and a smaller fix blade. The SAK has got to be the ultimate in fluffy feel good knives, but I just can't resist the comfort of a fix blade on my belt.
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#124238 - 02/18/08 05:05 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: GarlyDog]
benjammin Offline
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Well, you still gots to be careful. There are brandishing and affray laws on the books that make it unlawful to use just about anything short of a limp noodle to intimidate others. The rotten part is who defines the intimidation, and when someone who doesn't think the way you do goes whining to the nearest LEO that you "threatened" them with your knife by opening it and brandishing it in public, well, you can get the idea how this goes down. You might not get arrested, the LEO might not take the knife from you, but you will at least have to present him with it, deal with the hassle, do some explaining, and likely get a warning that marks you in his memory the next time he might see you. I know, it ain't right, but this is the reality of the world we live in, and the sad fact is those who don't want to control more and more those that do (fill in the blank). Such thinking is what has led us to these wonderful zero tolerance policies that our kids are stuck dealing with.

Legal length or not, you just can't walk around with an open knife of any size in your hand these days and not expect to have problems. I don't care about getting "the look", but I don't like it when the LEO has to come talk to me about it, and I don't really think they appreciate it much either.
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#124267 - 02/18/08 08:17 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: benjammin]
Art_in_FL Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
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Good point on the reaction from the LEOs.

By law and policy if someone says something about you having a knife and being worried, made uncomfortable or startled by it they have to stop what they are doing and talk to you to determine what happened and what your intentions are. They are unlikely to appreciate the waste of time that goes with most 'armed man' calls.

Point being that it pays to take others feelings and thoughts into account before too casually 'whipping it out'. Some people may be enthusiastic about seeing your knife. Others shocked and made uncomfortable. A lot of the reaction depends on how you couch it.

With a person easily worried and startled you might simply suggest that because you have to use some tools they might want to step back so they won't get hurt as you work. Politeness and courtesy are free and they pay big dividends.

Years ago a guy robbed a pair of old ladies. After the police caught him the ladies declined to press charges because he had been so polite. Even a thief can benefit from the touch of class lent by being polite and courteous.


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#124272 - 02/18/08 08:47 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: benjammin]
Dan_McI Offline
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Registered: 12/10/07
Posts: 844
Loc: NYC
Originally Posted By: benjammin
Well, you still gots to be careful. There are brandishing and affray laws on the books that make it unlawful to use just about anything short of a limp noodle to intimidate others. The rotten part is who defines the intimidation, and when someone who doesn't think the way you do goes whining to the nearest LEO that you "threatened" them with your knife by opening it and brandishing it in public, well, you can get the idea how this goes down. You might not get arrested, the LEO might not take the knife from you, but you will at least have to present him with it, deal with the hassle, do some explaining, and likely get a warning that marks you in his memory the next time he might see you. I know, it ain't right, but this is the reality of the world we live in, and the sad fact is those who don't want to control more and more those that do (fill in the blank). Such thinking is what has led us to these wonderful zero tolerance policies that our kids are stuck dealing with.

Legal length or not, you just can't walk around with an open knife of any size in your hand these days and not expect to have problems. I don't care about getting "the look", but I don't like it when the LEO has to come talk to me about it, and I don't really think they appreciate it much either.


Agreed, agreed, agreed. Need to be careful. But we cannot stop carrying and using.

If you start being afraid to carry or use it for an honorable reason, because of the kind of reaction you might get, then the person carrying it, you on the rare occasion, becomes even more unusual. And it becomes even easier to look at such a person as someone just out there to intimidate or threaten the public. When we start hiding our knives all the time, we stop being able to carry them.

First your ability to carry one thing goes, then you ability to carry something else goes too. Soon enough, picking up a stick could be looked at as criminal.

Heck, my wife was is surprised sometimes at me carrying what I do carry. Then I point out the larger knives in the kitchen.

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#124274 - 02/18/08 08:49 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: Dan_McI]
Hacksaw
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Recently I've heard that police here are confiscating assisted opening knives like my Kershaw...good thing I can turn it off.

I've even heard of people having their knives confiscated then going back to where they bought it and demanding their money back LOL.

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#124278 - 02/18/08 09:20 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: benjammin]
GarlyDog Offline
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Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 776
Loc: The People's Republic of IL
Originally Posted By: benjammin
You might not get arrested, the LEO might not take the knife from you, but you will at least have to present him with it, deal with the hassle, do some explaining, and likely get a warning that marks you in his memory the next time he might see you.


Has this happened to you? Has this happened to anyone reading this thread? Have any LEO's in the group had to have this conversation with someone who it turns out was using lawful pocket knife for a legit reason and just accidentally intimidated someone to a point where they called the police?

Granted. Discretion is never a bad thing when it comes to using knives.



Edited by GarlyDog (02/18/08 11:55 PM)
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#124280 - 02/18/08 09:38 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: ]
LED Offline
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Registered: 09/01/05
Posts: 1474
Originally Posted By: Hacksaw
Recently I've heard that police here are confiscating assisted opening knives like my Kershaw...good thing I can turn it off.

I've even heard of people having their knives confiscated then going back to where they bought it and demanding their money back LOL.


The "click" of a Kershaw tends to draw stares. And not the admiring or inquisitive kind. The phrase 'Dumbing down' comes to mind. I'm referring to the tool of course.

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#124285 - 02/18/08 10:34 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: LED]
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Does anyone know the rules of a 13 year old like me carrieng my assisted opening SOG2?
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#124292 - 02/18/08 11:22 PM Re: Whipping It Out In Public! [Re: climberslacker]
SwampDonkey Offline
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Registered: 07/08/07
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Loc: Northeastern Ontario, Canada
I guess it would depend on the jurisdiction where you live? I sure would not take it to school.

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