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#118301 - 12/31/07 11:19 PM water filter
jay_imok Offline
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Registered: 11/23/07
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anyone ever use a cone shaped coffee filter to take the big contaminents out of water? or other liquid. seems they might be handy.

not to replace purification, just to strain the chunks out!

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#118302 - 01/01/08 12:11 AM Re: water filter [Re: jay_imok]
technician Offline
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Registered: 11/15/05
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Loc: S Central Kansas
It's just easier for me to carry at least two bandannas - good for 1001 uses.

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#118306 - 01/01/08 02:27 AM Re: water filter [Re: technician]
CANOEDOGS Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
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Loc: MINNESOTA

some of the lakes in canoe country harbor water fleas..Daphnia. harmless,but who wants "swimmers" as they
are also called in their drinking water--soooo--yes..i
have used a coffee filter to strain them out..very slow
process but it works..maybe a cheap filter would work
faster than the Melttia's which seem to have a fine weave.
i have also used "jam bags" or whatever they are called
in your part of the world..they are found among the wax
and canning jars section--they fit in a metal strainer gizmo
for making jelly--draw string top--very handy and cheap..i
use one to carry a fishing reel around in my pack..


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#118312 - 01/01/08 03:27 AM Re: water filter [Re: jay_imok]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Not a cone, but a regular basket shaped filter. I was less than thrilled with it (hard to hold in place), I went back to a bandana...
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#118334 - 01/01/08 08:55 AM Re: water filter [Re: OldBaldGuy]
Tjin Offline
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for drinking water i carry a millbank filter ( http://outdoors-magazine.com/spip.php?article257 ) A purpose made cloth filter, which is very effective in removing particles, very reliable and you can toss it in the washing machine to clean it.
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#118336 - 01/01/08 11:59 AM Re: water filter [Re: Tjin]
Shadow_oo00 Offline
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Registered: 08/21/07
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Loc: Pennsylvania, USA
Does anyone know where you can purchase the millbank in the USA
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#118439 - 01/01/08 11:24 PM Re: water filter [Re: Shadow_oo00]
Susan Offline
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Loc: W. WA
Unless I'm missing something important, isn't the Milbank filter simply a tightly-woven canvas bag with a handle? All it has to do is filter out the chunks -- it doesn't have to catch viruses.

Wouldn't they be simple to make?

Sue

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#118490 - 01/02/08 03:34 AM Re: water filter [Re: jay_imok]
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Here http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/making-water-safe-to-drink-video/ is a nice video on water purification. He covers the Millbank Bag (very cool, I think I'll get one), but like most people, when he gets to water boiling OR water filtering, it is just that; either or. My point is that most experts seem to adequately address the pathogen issue but they seem to completely ignore the chemical contaminant issue. I think it is worthwhile these days to consider these steps:

1. Millbank Bag to remove debris;
2. Boiling to kill pathogens;
3. Microfilter to remove heavy metals and other contaminants.

As far as my research is concerned, disinfection via iodine or other means is not universally effective enough to rely on, so I don't mention it.

Step 2 could be eliminated if there is a microfilter that effectively removes all pathogens.

My first question is; How do pathogens and heavy metals and other pollutant molecules differ in size? If recall correctly, viruses are the smallest pathogens. I have no clue regarding pollutants.

My second question is regarding step 3, and is two-fold; Are heavy metals and other potential pollutants a concern to anyone, and is there a microfilter that is known to effectively deal with these?

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#118493 - 01/02/08 03:48 AM Re: water filter [Re: ]
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How do pathogens and heavy metals and other pollutant molecules differ in size? If recall correctly, viruses are the smallest pathogens. I have no clue regarding pollutants.


Heavy metal atoms and pollutant molecules are tiny compared to viruses. Remember, viruses are made of millions/billions of molecules. Molecules are made of two to millions of atoms. For the everyday user, we can stop at atoms.

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#118510 - 01/02/08 08:55 AM Re: water filter [Re: Susan]
Tjin Offline
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Originally Posted By: Susan
Unless I'm missing something important, isn't the Milbank filter simply a tightly-woven canvas bag with a handle? All it has to do is filter out the chunks -- it doesn't have to catch viruses.

Wouldn't they be simple to make?

Sue


well the millbank bag is indeed made of a very tightly woven canvas, which swells up when you pre soak it for use. It's also threatened to prevent it from getting moldy. It's very simple and indeed easy to make.... if you can find the right quality cloth.
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