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#109262 - 10/20/07 02:09 AM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: ironraven]
OldBaldGuy Offline

Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
"...But birds and fish... yeah, well done..."

And hamburger, don't forget to good that well done...

#109263 - 10/20/07 02:13 AM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: paramedicpete]

Originally Posted By: paramedicpete
I should know better, especially being a microbiologist blush, but the preferred way (at least for the youngest and myself) to eat beef is to cut the meat into cubes, soaking it in teriyaki sauce and eat it raw. I do (sort of) cook beef, but it is always red in the middle, just has so much more flavor.

My son-in-law, my oldest and wife require I cook the meat to at least medium-rare (what a waste of good meat), while my middle, youngest and I prefer the meat on the very rare side.

My rule of thumb: just show it to the flame and if it is not mooing, it is perfect grin.


If the beef is good quality (and most is these days) and the Teriyaki sauce has enough acid, salt, or other ingredient which will kill microbes, you should be fine...as long as you soak it long enough.

#109277 - 10/20/07 03:32 AM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: OldBaldGuy]
ironraven Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
Medium well. That will kill anything in there.

I hope.

When a man dare not speak without malice for fear of giving insult, that is when truth starts to die. Truth is the truest freedom.

#109285 - 10/20/07 07:36 AM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: ]
LED Offline

Registered: 09/01/05
Posts: 1474
Originally Posted By: Hacksaw
If the beef is good quality (and most is these days) and the Teriyaki sauce has enough acid, salt, or other ingredient which will kill microbes, you should be fine...as long as you soak it long enough.

Went to a Japanese restaurant a while ago and had some raw (thinly sliced) beef with a Teriyaki type sauce. I'm not a raw meat eater but it was pretty delicious.

#109323 - 10/20/07 09:27 PM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: LED]
benjammin Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 4020
Loc: Anchorage AK
One of my favorite combos at a local restaurant is grilled rare Ahi Sashimi, with just the outside 1/8th inch or so cooked, rolled in sesame seeds, and served with a soy and sesame dipping sauce, with wasabi on the side. Then the 2nd part is a 20 oz cut of prime rib, rare to medium rare, with an au jus and a horseradish dipping sauce on the side. Maybe a little salad in-between the two, otherwise, just a glass of a good peppery Lemberger with the prime rib.
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

#109342 - 10/21/07 02:20 AM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: benjammin]
Fallshirmjager Offline

Registered: 02/09/04
Posts: 42
I have a Brunton Crux stove in every vehicle and back back on the place. It stores in the hollow of a gas canister in a padded case, along with a mini-bic to light it. This is kept inside a Everlight stick-free titanium 1.0 L pan and lid, in it's stuff sack.

Besides the stove, there is room inside the pan for teabags and sugar packs for 14 cups of tea, a small sponge/scouring pad, spoon, and tube of bio-degradable soap. Weighs right at 1 pound.

The gas cylinder has enough fuel to boil water for 3 Mountain House meals a day, with 2 cups of tea, for a week, if you don't waste it.

If you use the smaller 3 gram cylinder, you can store a cylinder, Crux stove, tea or coffee, 3 food bars, and repackaged freeze dried meals (9 meals), along with a folding alpine cup and a lot of survival gear, all in one of those soft sided lunch bags Wal*Mart sells for a couple of dollars, for a simple and un-tactical/survivalist looking 3 day BOB on the car seat beside you, or under your desk at work.

The stove itself weighs only 3 grams, hides in the palm of your hand (screws onto the stove), boils water extremely fast, and will even simmer, something even a large stove has trouble with.

The Crux has been replaced with a newer version with a better pan holder, but I saw REI had a big sale on the older Crux without the case the other day on their website.

#109363 - 10/21/07 12:26 PM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: Fallshirmjager]

If I put any stove in the car it will be of the Omnifuel type so that it can be run using Gasoline.

#109509 - 10/22/07 05:05 PM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: ]
paramedicpete Offline

Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
You might think that, but there are a lot of organisms that thrive under some pretty unusual conditions (high salt, high or low pH, high temperature, low temperature, with various levels ofO2, without O2, etc.).


#109684 - 10/23/07 03:11 PM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: paramedicpete]
inkslngr Offline

Registered: 12/09/01
Posts: 54
Loc: AZ
1- Knock off horns

2- Wipe his old nasty butt

3- Drag across coals. . .ONCE on each side

4- Consume with gusto
"I'd rather be lucky than good any day!"

#109687 - 10/23/07 03:18 PM Re: Emergency cooking? [Re: inkslngr]
Blast Offline
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Registered: 07/15/02
Posts: 3581
Loc: TX
3- Drag across coals. . .ONCE on each side

Man, y'all are ruining good meat! Just show it a picture of a fire then plop it on my plate. Blood is what makes it taste good.

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