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#106493 - 09/21/07 12:20 AM Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack
Frankie Offline
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Registered: 09/19/03
Posts: 736
Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Hi, I haven't purchased my rucksack yet but I was sketching the organization of the gear that goes inside in a notebook (here a NATO style rucksack):



So how do you logically organize your gear in your BOB/daypack/rucksack, like the first thing to grab goes on top of the main compartment or in the exterior front pouch?

Frankie

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#106495 - 09/21/07 12:43 AM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack [Re: Frankie]
LED Offline
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Registered: 09/01/05
Posts: 1474
Mostly I put less used items on bottom and and most used equipment on top. Electronics, compass, and flashlights always go in easily accessible top pocket. But whenever I don't think I'll need something in the bottom of my pack I always wind up needing it. Go figure.

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#106499 - 09/21/07 01:19 AM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack [Re: NightHiker]
MDinana Offline
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Registered: 03/08/07
Posts: 2208
Loc: Beer&Cheese country
Like NightHiker, I have my heavy gear down low, near the hip belt. In fact, my layout is very similar to his.

water, flashlight, knife, FAK in outside pockets. rain gear on the top in the main pouch. Food usually under that, so it won't crush (some snacks easily accessible). Sleeping bag usually on the bottom, more cuz it's bulky than heavy (this is in a camping pack, not BOB).

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#106501 - 09/21/07 01:46 AM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack [Re: Frankie]
epirider Offline
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Registered: 12/03/05
Posts: 232
Loc: Wyoming, USA
I actually have a large pack and I pack clothes on the perimeter of the pack, my sleeping bac in the middle, food on the top, and equipment in the outer pockets and tent, and various other "stuff" attached to the outside. In the top, I have compasses, documents and quick need stuff. My pack does weigh 55 lbs. fully loaded, so take it for what it is worth.
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#106508 - 09/21/07 02:58 AM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack [Re: epirider]
SARbound Offline
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Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 503
Loc: Quebec City, Canada
Nice drawing Frankie... I wish I could be half as good as you! :-)

I carry the fragile items in the top pocket of my Osprey Stratos 32. Small items (PSK, FAK, gloves, etc.) all go in side pockets. The rest goes in the main compartment.

Your layout seems effective.
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#106514 - 09/21/07 03:53 AM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack [Re: Frankie]
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
I have the German army daypack. It's similar to your drawing minus the secondary compartment. The two side compartments may not be a perfect fit for Nalgene and SIGG type bottles. You will get them in no problem. But they may bulge into the main compartment space.Square sided nalgene bottles are available, so you may want to measure and look around. The side pockets are sewn with the top and bottoms open to carry skis and poles. This makes a handy load point for a smaller axe. My ruck has a inner sleeve with velcro straps against the inner wall. This is handy for a poncho or tarp and helps pad your backside. Aside from those points I merely fold or roll clothing very tight and use inner sacks to seperate everything. A daypack is just a bigger PSK. If you need the first aid kit it will be on the bottom unless it gets cold and then your mittens and balaclava are. Like my PSK, I deploy a bandanna/ poncho on the ground, dump and grab.I don't lose anything and save time if it's an emergency.

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#106539 - 09/21/07 01:54 PM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or day [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
Glock-A-Roo Offline
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Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 1076
I use these color-coded nylon inserts in my EDC daypack. Red is for trauma, yellow is for survival items, green is for PPE & airway items, and white is for foodstuffs. The less often used inserts are packed lower in the pack. Each insert has a clear vinyl window and hook-side Velcro backing strips. They are no heavier than a similarly sized stuffsack but offer much better access & visualization of contents. At 10.5" x 4" x 2" they fit very naturally in a daypack-sized bag.



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#106541 - 09/21/07 02:24 PM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
Frankie Offline
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Registered: 09/19/03
Posts: 736
Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Is it the "alpine", or "mountain" version as opposed to "standard" German rucksack:



I'll check out the surplus downtown and keep in mind the features you pointed out like the bottom openings of the side pockets (ski slots) and the inner sleeves. I do have this rectangular Nalgene bottle:



Thanks for sharing your ideas.

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#106546 - 09/21/07 03:19 PM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack [Re: Frankie]
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Thats my ruck in the photo, except my cat Piewacket has personalised it with his claws ( tough material.)

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#106624 - 09/22/07 03:43 AM Re: Ergonomic organization of your rucksack or daypack [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
CBTENGR Offline
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Registered: 06/13/07
Posts: 99
This kinda looks like the Aussie style ruck. The Aussie version has an outside front pocket and top pocket, but the side pockets are do not have an open bottom. Here is a link...

http://www.unclesams.com/MilitaryClothin...39/Default.aspx

I used one in the field and kept a FAK in the outside front compartment and a poncho/poncho liner in the top compartment. I could fit a GI collapsible canteen in each side pocket (But it was very tight).
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