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#104464 - 09/03/07 10:51 PM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: ]
DeathtoToasters Offline
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Loc: Southern California
I just added up my the needs my family of 5 (about to be 6) for a generator.

Approx

10175 consistent power
15650 startup power

Now I did go overboard a bit on what we would need. Plus that is including a washer and dryer which we would not be running at the same time and consistently.

Does that seem normal or like alot?

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#104467 - 09/03/07 11:13 PM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: ]
DeathtoToasters Offline
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Item Running Watts / Starting Wattage

AC unit 3800 / 4950
(2)Refrigerator 1200/4400
Microwave 750/800
Electric Skillet 1500/0
Lighting 600/0
Radio 100/0

So I cut the list down to needed things....the numbers now look like:

7950 running watts / 10150 starting watts.

Does that seem better? smile
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#104469 - 09/03/07 11:31 PM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: ]
DeathtoToasters Offline
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What do you think about this model:

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=608

I was hoping to go for some type of tri fuel so that if I needed alternative methods of fuel, I would have that option.

Am I just needing too much power to go for a tri-fuel?

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#104470 - 09/03/07 11:32 PM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: DeathtoToasters]
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BTW I did get your PM..thanks for that explanation and for the pics....it helps me understand everything easily.
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#104471 - 09/03/07 11:35 PM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: DeathtoToasters]
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Loc: Orlando, FL
Lose the electric skillet and use your propane camp stove or BBQ grill. When you want to run the microwave turn off the AC or unplug the fridges for a few minutes. For lighting don't use incandescent lights, use CFL's, 15watts to power a bulb instead of 100. For start up turn on the AC first and then power up other things in order to stay with in the start up capacity of your generator.

A little warning, if you decide to hook up your generator the way Izzy did his, it violates the electric code in this country. I know a electrical engineer with a degree from MIT that set his garage on fire doing this. I don't know what he did wrong other than he has no common sense. Now having said that i hook up my generator exactly the same way that Izzy does. You need to be realistic about your own abilities to hook up the generator correctly so as not to hurt anyone or anything. If in doubt have a transfer switch installed or go with something like this,

http://www.generlink.com/about_generlink.cfm

If you want to learn more about power management and how to cut back do a little research on some of the solar energy sites, there is a lot of information out there.

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#104474 - 09/03/07 11:44 PM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: ]
DeathtoToasters Offline
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Loc: Southern California
I just added the electric skillet for things I assumed I was leaving out smile

I have cfl's in most of the places in my home, like I said, I was over estimating once again.

The tri-fuel seems like a great idea, but the problem is that, a generator that weighs 500 is not going to, at least not easily, find it's way into my truck when and if I have to leave.

It doesn't seem to be able to be hooked up to a tow hook on the truck, so it will most likely stay at home.

I will just have to get a smaller personal one, then if we have to move, we can with power.

Also, I am thinking about the gasoline option because if for some reason we need to leave and the cars are not filled, we can fill them up.

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#104477 - 09/03/07 11:55 PM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: ]
DeathtoToasters Offline
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Loc: Southern California
I never thought I would like to be called Death....but that is so kewl :P
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#104483 - 09/04/07 12:15 AM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: ]
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Loc: Orlando, FL
" The transfer switch must be a break-before-make switch which will "break" the electrical connection with commercial power lines before it "makes" the connection between your generator and wiring."

Maybe i am misunderstanding something about your panel. What i understand is that you are turning off the main breaker and then you are turning on a separate breaker to energize your sub panel. Is there a mechanical interlock to prevent someone from pluging in your generator, turning on its breaker to energize the panel and then switching off main breaker? If there is not a mechanical interlock the generator hook up does not meet electrical code. If there is an interlock then i did not understand you correctly.

And my friend is very smart, he just has the common sense of a doorknob. It would not surprize me if he cross wired something to create a dead short.

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#104487 - 09/04/07 12:26 AM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: ]
RayW Offline
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Loc: Orlando, FL
Sorry Izzy, i misunderstood. You did use the correct breakers to meet code.


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#104490 - 09/04/07 12:40 AM Re: Propane Storage....let's hear everyones ideas. [Re: RayW]
DeathtoToasters Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 147
Loc: Southern California
Izzy,

Do you have an exact list of what is needed to make this extra box?

Out here where I live, electricians love to charge double for things that the customers don't even need!

I just want to make sure I don't get too ripped off smile
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