Major East coast storm a brewin'

Posted by: TeacherRO

Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/25/12 04:05 PM

Hurricane Sandy
Posted by: Paul810

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/25/12 06:24 PM

Took today off, so I figured I'd gas up the vehicles, as well as test run the genny, pumps, and chainsaws. Not really worried, as these storms tend to turn into nothing more than a little rain and wind when they reach us, but it gives me something to do today.
Posted by: LesSnyder

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/25/12 06:49 PM

just a comment.... I underestimated TS Debbie earlier this summer as I look primarily at the wind speed and storm surge numbers... she dumped over 24" of rain in two days, and caused serious localized flooding...my weather alert radio with SAME localized warning went off half a dozen or so times with tornado warnings...one touched down about a block east of me, leaving a line of large trees downed through the neighborhood...
Posted by: MDinana

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/25/12 11:18 PM

Not super worried either. The updates still have it mostly brushing past us - early forecasts for the area are rain and about 50mph winds on Sunday. I don't have a generator, so don't have to worry about that. Biggest concerns is it's supposed to be high's in the 40's afterwards ... not a big concern since I have about 5 sleeping bags and it's just my wife and I.

Plus, worst case scenario, she goes into work (a hospital) and racks out there.

Topping off the gas tomorrow in both vehicles. I just rotated gas on Monday, and the taste test on stored water today was fine. Have a new bag of dog food (about a week old), so we're essentially set to hunker down if needed.

Biggest worry I have is A) a tree on my truck, and B) a tree through our sliding glass window. I literally got rid of a sheet of plywood 2 weeks ago, that I've held onto for 3 years, and really don't want to do that again. A tarp will have to do it if happens.
Posted by: Slatu

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 12:02 AM

Here in Mass, we had a nice snow storm last year about the same time. Leaves are still on the trees, so if it does get snowy and windy, I expect some power outages. As it approaches, I don't feel too much apprehension. Been getting steadily more prepared throughout the years, and would enjoy a nice power outage for a few days.
Posted by: MartinFocazio

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 02:12 AM

http://bridgetonema.wordpress.com/2012/10/25/get-ready-for-hurricane-sandy-now/
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 02:37 AM


I'm on the Outer Banks of NC (Avon), wrapping up a two week vacation.

Headed back to DC Friday morning.

My Honda Element is permanently packed with enough stuff to camp out comfortably for a few days. Brought a JetBoil and java press on the trip, just in case of a power outage.

Never know on the OBX what all might transpire, weather-wise, during a two week stay. In this case, ten days of spectacular weather ending with Hurricane Sandy's approach.

Safe travels, everyone. Take this storm very, very seriously. I've rarely seen such consensus among the weather professionals that we (mid-Atlantic) were looking at something this dangerous.


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Posted by: Frisket

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 05:14 AM

Just a quick travel pouch for power outs I threw together for funzies. I been stuck in a power out outside of my house before and I feel just a pouch in the car or cargo pocket of a flashlight and some batts might help with my EDC Penlight. My penlight gets me around just fine but a little more Oompf can sometimes be needed.



The Nite Ize Buglight isnt the best purchase but the attachability/standablity of the light makes up for it. The lights a sickly blue in the middle with a dirty sick brown ring around it.

I tend to EDC a Streamlight micro stream but I havent found a easy way to carry a spare 1-2 AA's. I cant find any thin watertight tubes or anything.
Posted by: Frisket

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 05:19 AM

Originally Posted By: MDinana
Not super worried either. The updates still have it mostly brushing past us


I have only once had to track a Hurricane for my own safety and lemme tell ya updates and predictions on the news changed A LOT the entire time. The consensus was it was gonna go out to sea and just tickle us....Then we was told to evacuate. Shortest vacation we have had for the 12 years of the same location same time.
Posted by: MDinana

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 09:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Frisket
Originally Posted By: MDinana
Not super worried either. The updates still have it mostly brushing past us


I have only once had to track a Hurricane for my own safety and lemme tell ya updates and predictions on the news changed A LOT the entire time. The consensus was it was gonna go out to sea and just tickle us....Then we was told to evacuate. Shortest vacation we have had for the 12 years of the same location same time.

Yeah, I've been noticing that smile

Yesterday morning the edge of the cone was still off shore. Now the track moved from the dead center hitting Philly (last night) to nearly Baltimore (this morning). In 24 hours we've gone from "just outside" to "halfway in" the cone of probability.

Probably hit up the grocery store tonight - TP, milk, but that's about it. Charging up our silly FRS radios as a back-up. Need to eye my stash of batteries, but I think I'm OK.

As for wife at the hospital - she's pregnant too. Only 25 weeks though, way too early!
Posted by: greenghost

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 10:51 AM

I must live under a rock cause this is the first Ive heard of Sandy. Figures it would happen on the weekend for us NE folks. If I lose cable sunday and miss the walking dead Im gonna send a strongly worded prayer to God. mad
Posted by: MDinana

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Dagny

I'm on the Outer Banks of NC (Avon), wrapping up a two week vacation.

Headed back to DC Friday morning.

My Honda Element is permanently packed with enough stuff to camp out comfortably for a few days. Brought a JetBoil and java press on the trip, just in case of a power outage.

Never know on the OBX what all might transpire, weather-wise, during a two week stay. In this case, ten days of spectacular weather ending with Hurricane Sandy's approach.

Safe travels, everyone. Take this storm very, very seriously. I've rarely seen such consensus among the weather professionals that we (mid-Atlantic) were looking at something this dangerous.


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If you head up 168 I'd say to swing by my office and say hi. Unfortunately there's no good places to meet up for lunch frown
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 11:26 AM


MDinana,

Google Maps does have me going on 168 (why not 664 is not obvious to me).

But I'll have a couple dogs with me and will want to get the drive done ASAP. Six hours to DC is about five hours longer than I feel like being in the car today.

The forecast trends are worsening for DC-VA-MD. Am urging friends to not wait until Saturday to hit Costco:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capi..._weather_latest


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Posted by: Paul810

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 11:32 AM

Good thing I checked my preps. My diesel generator was fine, but my other gas generator had a dead battery and a leaking fuel line. Using it without noticing that could have lead to a fire.blush
Posted by: MDinana

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 02:38 PM

Because 664 doesn't go that far. 664 turns into 64 once it crosses 264 ... 168 was built as a freeway alternate to one of the business routes. To make things more fun, if you miss your exit onto 64, 168 turns into 464... which actually dead ends onto 264, which you can take back to 664 ...

I don't know what genius decided that all the freeways need to be derivatives of "64."
Posted by: LesSnyder

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 05:50 PM

beltways on interstate numbered highways that go around metropolitan areas have 3 digit numbers with the last two of the originating highway... an even number prefix indicates that it will rejoin the originating highway on the other side... an odd number prefix is that it is a spur road, and will be radial to the metropolitan area and typically terminate there... at least that is the way the original roads are supposed to be numbered...
Posted by: CarlosD

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 10:16 PM

Picked up a few extra packs of batteries, a case of water (though will lay in a tub and several 5 gallon carboys and buckets) and some canned goods, primarily so I can eat them regardless of if we lose power! Loves me my Hormel chili!

Tomorrow, will clean the gutters, gas the car and little gas can and lay in the important stuff- beer and pork rinds!

I too will be greatly put out should we miss Walking Dead! But for us (Long Island, NY), it's not supposed to hit until Mon night anyway.

Be safe, everyone!
Posted by: TeacherRO

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/26/12 11:55 PM

The weatherpeople are saying some strong things ; because of that and a few other things I'm saying (with no 1st hand experience or education) Its gonna be a (something) of a century...batten down for the big one.
Huff post update

And some very basic (though its for the last one) but useful info:
Time's advice for some basic hurricane prep..

And remember, its gonna get cold and in some places snowy/ icy.



Posted by: greenghost

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 12:54 AM

jeesh, an earthquake last week and now a nor eastah coming my way. Im glad Ive done the prepping thing for the last year and feel confident in my preperations. Gonna be good training too.
Posted by: MDinana

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 02:39 AM

Originally Posted By: LesSnyder
beltways on interstate numbered highways that go around metropolitan areas have 3 digit numbers with the last two of the originating highway... an even number prefix indicates that it will rejoin the originating highway on the other side... an odd number prefix is that it is a spur road, and will be radial to the metropolitan area and typically terminate there... at least that is the way the original roads are supposed to be numbered...

Thanks for the info! All I know is the "5's" go N/S (ie, I-5, I-15, I-95) and the "10's" go E/W (I-10, I-40)
Posted by: spuds

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 03:07 AM

Yup,they are saying here it could be a real humdinger of a storm.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 10:24 AM

These things usually miss us here in South Eastern Ontario, but Hurricane Hazel did make a big impression way back in 1954, so we never rule them out when the storm track looks to be heading our way.

Looks like we're going to get hit with wind, rain and maybe snow. Going to pick up some more canned goods and snacks when I shop today but we should be in good shape here. Except for boots - DS recently outgrew his rain boots and his winter boots from last year are too small. Going to find him a good pair of sub-zero insulated rubber boots today.

Also going to make sure he's got a few "Hunker down in the school for a while" supplies in his backpack this week, especially Wednesday, when it looks to be heading our way. I'm thinking specifically of a change of clothes, extra snack and new batteries in his flashlight. It's Halloween so maybe we'll send some little glow sticks for the class as a treat and a just in case prep.
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 07:26 PM

I wonder what it's like to start from scratch in the few days of escalating alarms about this storm.

Thanks to previous experiences, ETS and a couple other sources, I start from a comfortable baseline of preparedness. Vacationing in the Outer Banks of North Carolina for the past ten days, I felt no urgency to rush home to DC and scramble to prepare. We got home to DC last night. We got out of the OBX in more than sufficient time to spare to escape deteriorating conditions there in a prudent manner.

The only supplies I'm thinking of going out for are perishable foods. And maybe a bag or two of ice. Though we go years between outages.

I did just make a mental note to make sure my Kindles have a full charge (a Touch and Fire HD).

I will probably go to the store tonight or tomorrow but that's because I've been away from home for over a week and would like fresh bread, eggs, milk, dessert and to stock up on coffee I took on the trip.

If its a mob scene at the store, I don't have to go in. I do have at home already some coffee, lots of tea, some half & half (and canned evap milk for backup), a fairly well stocked fridge (bacon, sausage, eggs one week past the "best by" date so still perfectly palatable) and plenty of nonperishable foods. We also have a lot of restaurants around here so am thinking of doing a big Thai order to have tasty leftovers.

I always have a few weeks of my dog's food on hand.

The other stuff -- cash, bottled water, candle lanterns, radio, flashlights-headlamps, batteries, full gas tank, camping stoves, grill, tools (axes, for instance), sleeping bags, etcetera, etcetera have been my 24/7/365 reality for years.

I find the peace of mind is addictive.

Neighbors and I were conferring on the sidewalk today (sunny, mild fall day in DC). We're not terribly concerned (and our very thankful) because our power lines are underground, we're not prone to flooding and the trees have been thinned out by previous storms and pruning. We plan on pitching in if anything arises and anyone needs help. We'll keep an eye on the storm drains, gutters, etc.

After the widespread, lengthy power outages around here caused by the July "derecho," it is a wonder anyone here would not have learned valuable lessons from it.

On that note, a friend of mine in Virginia who suffered extensive tree damage in the July derecho and lost power for eight days and was forced to relocate, still has not gotten around to getting a nice backup generator -- despite having plenty of means to do so. It's on her to-do list but just has not been done.

So I'll probably end up running a cooler, ice and sleeping bag out to her. Some days, that's what friends are for.

Good luck to all. I hope and pray this storm spares you and your loved ones any harm or hardship.

To those who are new to this preparedness arena, constantly run over in your mind the basics: shelter (weather-approriate), water, food (and meds, if necessary) and covering those bases for at least a week if you can.


Posted by: Russ

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Dagny
... If its a mob scene at the store, I don't have to go in. ...

With two whole days to go why would there be a mob? If you don't wait until the last minute you'll have totally wasted it wink grin
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Russ
Originally Posted By: Dagny
... If its a mob scene at the store, I don't have to go in. ...

With two whole days to go why would there be a mob? If you don't wait until the last minute you'll have totally wasted it wink grin



Russ - it's always a mob at the groceries around here on Saturday.

On a normal Saturday, Costco is miserable. If I must go then, I try to get there before they open to get a head start on the madness.

My closest Costco is near the Pentagon. Parking there is a problem.


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Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 08:00 PM


The latest forecast for DC, by the best forecasters in town:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capi...88962_blog.html


Before we break the scenarios down, here’s what we can likely expect, irrespective of the storm track scenario:

* The worst of the storm will hit Monday into Tuesday

* There will be a prolonged period of strong winds, potentially sustained at 25-45 mph, with gusts to 45-60 mph (likely higher east of the Chesapeake Bay) for a period of 12 hours or more during the height of the storm. Power outages are likely.

* Rainfall totals of at least 3-6” are a good bet. Flood prone areas are likely to flood.

Start preparing now.



For inland areas (including Washington, D.C. and Baltimore), because this storm is so large, we will experience heavy rain amounts and strong winds in either case. It doesn’t matter if the storm first crosses land in central New Jersey or Chincoteague
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It surely will be a memorable couple of days.


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Posted by: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/27/12 08:46 PM

Quote:
* There will be a prolonged period of strong winds, potentially sustained at 25-45 mph, with gusts to 45-60 mph (likely higher east of the Chesapeake Bay) for a period of 12 hours or more during the height of the storm. Power outages are likely.


So is the Storm of the Century or otherwise known as the Frankenstorm (Stormageddon has already been used previously) going to a bit of a blustery old day! (this was about 4 dyas after Hurricane Bawbag hit Scotland) wink

It does look like a like some heavy rain though which could lead to some localised flooding.

Posted by: TeacherRO

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 12:12 AM

Nice set of useful links... lifehacker links to hurricane stuff
Posted by: Paul810

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 10:42 AM

A little pre-storm update from my area:

By Thursday night, it became impossible to find a generator. All sold out everywhere. Lots of "Sorry, No Generators" signs.

By Friday night, it became impossible to find a gas powered pump or electric sump pump. All sold out. Small size wet vacs were still available until Saturday.

Bottled water was gone from the food store by Saturday night. As was bread and eggs.

Plenty of batteries, flashlights, and candles still available.

Gas stations still have plenty of gas and the lines at the pump weren't much worse than usual.

There was a huge line to get sandbags from the town. Each home was limited to maximum of 10 sandbags.

Spoke with some local Fire/Police officials about their plan of action. Essentially, if the weather is too bad, they aren't going to respond to calls, period. Once they get a break in the weather, they'll respond in order of severity. This could mean extensive wait times for calling 911.

Along the same lines, we were told that if our power goes out, don't expect it to come on until probably Wednesday at the earliest. Utility crews will be stationed around town, but aren't being sent out until they're given the all clear. Same goes for phone lines obviously.

Spoke with a friend who lives on the main land directly across from the barrier islands (which have been evacuated). He's not under mandatory evacuation, but he's leaving anyway. Storm Surge is expected to be 4-8ft and his bulk head is only about 5ft off the high-tide water line. Therefore, he fully expects a flooded first floor of his house and has prepared for it as best he can.

Right now I'm on standby in case anything happens at our commercial properties. Biggest worry for us is a gas main rupture, as we've got a few very large mains coming into the buildings. A breakage could effect natural gas pressure for the entire town, as well as potentially causing a major explosion. Went out early this morning to check the street side valves and practice shutting them off in a hurry to minimize time spent in the elements.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 11:54 AM

Frankenstorm charging up the east coast and a 7.7 earthquake in BC causing a tsunami to race down the west coast to Hawaii. Stay safe everyone!
Posted by: JPickett

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 12:45 PM

"My closest Costco is near the Pentagon"
My condolences
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: JPickett
"My closest Costco is near the Pentagon"
My condolences



Indeed.

Thanks, Paul, for the update on your New Jersey community. Last night I went to a supermarket (also near the Pentagon) and bottled water had disappeared, along with sugar and flour. TP was depleted but not completely gone.

They were well-stocked with eggs-bacon-milk and everything else, it seemed.

Thankfully, they had my favorite coffee.

Today, much of the area is impassable due to the Marine Corps Marathon, so I'm already sheltering-in.

Good luck everyone.


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Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 03:01 PM

This excerpt will get a lot of eye-rolling laughs. What a cliche:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/hurr...14_story_1.html


Customers took up to a half hour to find parking on Saturday at the Georgetown Safeway, where bottled water was gone by late afternoon and two shoppers argued over the last box of elbow pasta.



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Posted by: Russ

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 03:16 PM

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two shoppers argued over the last box of elbow pasta.

I can hear them now, "You take it, I have enough." "No, I insist, you were here first." "Please, I'm not even Italian, you take the pasta and I'll even throw in a jar of Marinara Sauce." "Okay, if you're sure, but I make my own sauce from scratch."

I wonder if that's how the conversation went, people in DC are so concerned and outgoing... cool
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Russ
Quote:
two shoppers argued over the last box of elbow pasta.

I can hear them now, "You take it, I have enough." "No, I insist, you were here first." "Please, I'm not even Italian, you take the pasta and I'll even throw in a jar of Marinara Sauce." "Okay, if you're sure, but I make my own sauce from scratch."

I wonder if that's how the conversation went, people in DC are so concerned and outgoing... cool



There's DC. And there's Georgetown.

I'm in a different zip code.


:-)
Posted by: Russ

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 03:31 PM

lol Yep, folks in Georgetown even know the difference between a Bordeaux and Boone's Farm.

Good luck to all weathering the storm. We are having an October Santa Anna here in SOCAL. Warm and dry during the day, cool and crisp at night -- really nice.
Posted by: spuds

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 04:27 PM

YUP!

Being prepared is a wonderful thing!
Posted by: MDinana

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Russ
lol Yep, folks in Georgetown even know the difference between a Bordeaux and Boone's Farm.

Good luck to all weathering the storm. We are having an October Santa Anna here in SOCAL. Warm and dry during the day, cool and crisp at night -- really nice.

To be honest, given our storm predictions are pretty much 2-4 inches of rain, with wind gusts to 50 mph ... I think of this as Santa Anas with some rain.

Old habits die hard smile
Posted by: Lono

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 04:44 PM

Folks headed to the stores to shop I hope you're making a list of things you need on hand before the next storm. Convenience shopping this close to landfall gets tenuous and some of the participants get sketchy.

Keep up on your prescription meds and you'll avoid pharmacies. I know a compounding pharmacist who sees a lot of desperate demands for oxycodone and vicodin on the eve of any storm. Why enter sketchy situations...

Out here in the PNW we have the M7.7 quake off the Queen Charlotte Islands (Haida Gwaii) north of Vancouver BC, with a swarm of dozens of M4-M5 after shocks. We're lucky its a sparsely inhabited area ~550 miles away from Seattle; someday this will happen off the Pacific coast of Portland or maybe Forks, WA. Mentally I've been taking in the scenario since last night and I can confirm, assuming we make it through the first quake all our preps will come in handy, and there won't be any need let alone opportunity to run to the store for supplies - we'll be on our own for 7+ days without resupply. And all those after shocks will be raising the anxiety level and possibly causing additional damage to homes and infrastructure. Things would be fairly intense around here - a need for calmer minds. A lot like you folks out in the path of H. Sandy.

This afternoon I'll hold a short demo for family on how and where to turn off water and gas to the house, and will verify no one has pillaged our wet and cold weather emergency gear - because last night's BC quake took place in driving rain and 45 degrees F, which would chill us to the bone if our primary shelter was set ablaze by a broken gas line.

Hunker down folks, Godspeed and best of luck to you all.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/28/12 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Russ
Quote:
two shoppers argued over the last box of elbow pasta.

I can hear them now, "You take it, I have enough." "No, I insist, you were here first." "Please, I'm not even Italian, you take the pasta and I'll even throw in a jar of Marinara Sauce." "Okay, if you're sure, but I make my own sauce from scratch."

I wonder if that's how the conversation went, people in DC are so concerned and outgoing... cool


Actually, that as the scene trying to get into a local grocery store this morning Everyone waited for the other person to go first and nobody got anywhere for a couple of minutes. It was almost comical.

Different story by the time I got to the check-out. It wasn't crazy busy and the lines weren't more than two or three deep, but people the were testy. I thought the woman who blocked the area between the registers and the aisles while she waited in line (and with two closed check-out lines beside her, where she she have waited) was going to start a riot.

No noticable food shortages though. Even the road salt was normally priced. I found it interesting that the store didn't even pull out their winter stuff (i.e. shovels, salt, etc) so that it was front and center. It was almost hidden. They were having a "stock up" sale though but I can't imagine this pending storm caused it.

No noticable line-ups at the gas station and prices were steady at $1.13/ltr.

Things seemed pretty normal for a rainy Sunday here, except that it's about 5C outside (with a light wind, that's about 1C) and we're just getiing light rain. I got some perishables and some extra canned goods, since I was going to refill a prescription anyway. I was in and out in a normal amount of time, and actually faster than I excepted for a rainy day.

Posted by: Frisket

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 12:06 AM

Well I feel prepared I wonder how everyone else around me feels.




Oh....Oooooh v__v.......

Yes that is what use to be the flashlight isle at my local home depot.......Not a single thing to be found, They did how ever pull a few cases maybe say 2 headlamp cases and 1 penlight case and put them on a table up front....thats about it...And as you can see the only things left in the isle are some cellphone pouches and....Oh.....the crappy penlight i just bought a few days ago...I guess no one wants them.....
Posted by: MDinana

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 01:50 AM

That's pretty funny.

I'd take a picture of outside right now, but other than a slightly chilly, drizzly night, there's not much to see. Supposedly around 1am it'll kick off.

This storm is so slow moving that the weather reports keep postponing the debut - supposedly this morning was supposed to be the start of the bad weather.
Posted by: Blast

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 03:18 AM

Good luck to all the ETSers in the affected areas. Hopefully this will somehow end up just being a close-call/dry-run for all y'all!
-Blast
Posted by: Teslinhiker

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 03:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Lono
Out here in the PNW we have the M7.7 quake off the Queen Charlotte Islands (Haida Gwaii) north of Vancouver BC, with a swarm of dozens of M4-M5 after shocks. We're lucky its a sparsely inhabited area ~550 miles away from Seattle; someday this will happen off the Pacific coast of Portland or maybe Forks, WA.


I don't want to hijack the East Coast Storm thread too much, however that was a huge quake on Saturday night. Had the quake hit down here (about 400 miles south), the damage and destruction would of been severe in my area which has a much higher population of 2.6 million. To give some comparisons, last night's quake was not much lower in strength then the 1906 San Francisco and was almost 1 point higher on the Richter scale then the 1989 San Fran quake.

For those of you waiting for the East Coast storm, be safe and put all your learned skills and also your supplies to good use if and when needed.
Posted by: Phaedrus

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 03:37 AM

Be safe everyone! For once I'm glad I live in South Dakota!
Posted by: James_Van_Artsdalen

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 05:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor

It does look like a like some heavy rain though which could lead to some localised flooding.

It doesn't look to be especially intense, but all tropical cyclones pump a *lot* of water. The storm won't linger but there may be some cases of people who try to drive through puddles that turn out to be 20 feet deep...

Another point - this will run head-first into the jet stream and a Canadian cold front, then turn hard right and exit over northern New England, and a lot of the water may fall in non-liquid form...
Posted by: greenghost

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 10:59 AM

We're expecting power outages this afternoon but I have everything set for that. I am concerned about the basement flooding. Seems around here (before I moved here) in 09, they had days of rain with strong winds that caused the rain to blow sideways. That somehow resulted in almost everyone on my street having water in their basements, my house included.

Odd thing is, my neighborhood was built in the 50s and the homes are rock solid. Our place had never flooded until that storm. Eitherwaay, Ive got all my gear off the floor.

So far today its just light rain, wind and nasty. News said southern NH will get its share of Sandy tonight.

Looks like I'll finally get a chance to read more Thoreau by candle light for fun tonight smile
Posted by: Paul810

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 11:47 AM

At 6:40am the rain started coming down here outside of Newark, NJ. Wind isn't too bad right now. It's expected to keep getting worse and worse until about 4:00pm today.

Some impressive things about this storm:

1. Lowest recorded pressure for our area ever. Shattering a record from 1914.

2. Storm is actually increasing in strength, which is something we never see up here. It's expected to be about 90mph sustained at landfall with gusts over 100mph.
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 12:43 PM

Latest precip forecast map:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/files/2012/10/Sandy_rainfall2.gif


Walked my dog at 6:00a - just a normal rain and light wind at that time, even used an umbrella. Had seen an enormous band of yellow and red on the radar looming to the east so knew that 6a walk was going to be as good as it gets today.

Sitting here savoring electrical power and a java press full of hot hazelnut coffee.

Outside the day will steadily deteriorate and the worst for DC is expected to be around 2:00 a.m. Tuesday.

Be safe, everyone. Stay home if you can. For your safety and everyone else's (especially first responders who have to risk their own lives to save others who get in trouble).

On that last note, am watching to see what happens with that "pirate ship" sinking off the Outer Banks, NC, with 16 people now in life rafts in those treacherous seas and the U.S. Coast Guard trying to save them.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-5754...-off-n.c-coast/


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Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 02:19 PM

It looks like the brunt of the storm is going to hit just west of us, on the other side of the Toronto region, but we're still expecting high winds and rain, and potential power failures. Halloween decorations are not out, patio furniture has been brought in and all the batteries in the house have been changed or charged. Home supplies are readay, office bug-in bag is ready, vehicle kits are ready and gas tanks are full. We're as ready as we're going to be.

We do have a Cub Scout/Beaver Scout meeting tonight, that's going ahead as scheduled. We're going to take the opportunity to remind the kids to stay away from creeks and rivers on rainy days like this, even if their area doesn't seem to be getting very much rain.
Posted by: Russ

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 03:04 PM

Speaking of hot coffee when the power goes out -- GAS ONE Portable Gas Stove There are less expensive versions that use pretty much the same design, but aren't stainless steel. I have one and have used it during power outages -- two thumbs up.
Posted by: LesSnyder

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 03:14 PM

in case you need to run your alternator for an extended period of time, or have a family member not able to fill the hot engine from a 6 gal can, a squeeze bulb siphon hose might be your answer...section of 5/16 or 3/8 fuel line, squeeze bulb, 1/4 fuel line to carb and adapter barb

Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 03:41 PM


A neighbor and I just went back out and shoveled more debris and leaves from our street's gutters. We're cursing the fall leaves that people didn't take care of before the storm hit.

Also, gutters flow a lot better if car tires are not pressed right up against the curb.



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Posted by: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 04:02 PM

Quote:
Speaking of hot coffee when the power goes out -- GAS ONE Portable Gas Stove There are less expensive versions that use pretty much the same design, but aren't stainless steel. I have one and have used it during power outages -- two thumbs up.


These are very handy stoves to have but could be somewhat tricky to get going in the dark (when lights go out) for the uninitiated. i.e. loading the gas cartridge.

If using the GAS ONE Portable Gas/Campingaz type Stove then it will need constant attention for indoor use as it won't have a flame failure protection device.

For bug in emergencies I will be using one of these.

http://www.gasproducts.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Double_Burner_Europa_Gas_Boiling_Ring_with_FFD.html

With a 15Kg LPG Bottle this will easily give over 1-2 months cooking use.

For long term use i.e. Electricity being out for more than 2 weeks I will also fall back on some LPG Lanterns. The Latern will consume 85 grams per hour @a light output of a 100W incandescent light bulb, so would give about 1 Months use @ 6 hrs per day.

I will generally always have available a couple of 15KG LPG bottles of LPG stored in these;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Calor-Provence-Portable-Flueless-Heater/dp/B0045U4O4E/ref=pd_sim_sbs_kh_2

LPG bottles have some major advantages over other liquid fuel sources, whereby the energy is converted to modern push button electrical living.

i.e. Storage of Generator liquid fuels, Generator reliability and maintenance, noise of operational use, toxic fumes and exhausts etc.



Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Dagny

A neighbor and I just went back out and shoveled more debris and leaves from our street's gutters. We're cursing the fall leaves that people didn't take care of before the storm hit.



That's going to be an issue in out neighbourhood as well. It's happened before with much less rain than we're expecting this time around. Everyone left the leaves on the ground to enhance the kids Halloween experience. Joy!
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 04:15 PM

I just showed a co-worker the LED lamp I keep on my desk. She said "For what?" When I said "in case the power goes out where you're here alone tonight" she said "Oh yeah. I didn't think of that. Maybe I should get a flashlight for home too?" Yup, she asked it like a question. Makes my head hurt.
Posted by: Russ

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 04:30 PM

Yep, for longer term I have a Coleman 2 burner propane stove with a converter to use a standard 20# tank. But for short power outages, this class of Butane stove is easy to set up and very convenient.
Posted by: Paul810

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: bacpacjac
I just showed a co-worker the LED lamp I keep on my desk. She said "For what?" When I said "in case the power goes out where you're here alone tonight" she said "Oh yeah. I didn't think of that. Maybe I should get a flashlight for home too?" Yup, she asked it like a question. Makes my head hurt.


That's like my neighbor. He went out and bought a generator, which was great. But, he didn't get any extra gas or extension cords. Not sure what he was thinking. crazy
Posted by: bws48

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 05:48 PM

From Anne Arundel County, just outside Annapolis, MD:

Up until 1:05 EST I would have said the all was ok--light rain, light to occasional strong gust. Minor problem this AM with the sump pump float valve, which didn't turn on the pump and, after some encouragement from a few blows, started the pump before the basement flooded. (Note to self: find backup.)

Then, for no apparent reason, the power went out (1:05 pm est). 30 seconds later, the genny started and about 3 minutes after that I finished rebooting the modem and router and I'm back up on-line. Just in time to get a skype call from our 4 year old grand neice (helped by her Dad) in eastern europe who was worried about the storm. (Apparently getting big coverage there.)
Posted by: Doug_Ritter

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: LesSnyder
in case you need to run your alternator for an extended period of time, or have a family member not able to fill the hot engine from a 6 gal can, a squeeze bulb siphon hose might be your answer...section of 5/16 or 3/8 fuel line, squeeze bulb, 1/4 fuel line to carb and adapter barb


My favorite siphon:

http://www.superjiggler.com/
http://www.simplesiphon.com/products/

Bunch of other similar siphons, just use Google.

The metal valve is the way to go, plastic just doesn't have near the flow.
Posted by: spuds

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 06:26 PM

Funny you should mention...I bought several super jigglers,they are Christmas gifts this year,Im such a fun gift giver.

Whatever,they just may use em,know BIL is going to like his.Kids,probably not so much,LOL.
Posted by: James_Van_Artsdalen

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: bacpacjac

Halloween decorations are not out

Yikes - I hadn't though of that. Lots of debris out for Halloween.

Don't forget garden hoses. They're like whips with one end fastened or caught on something.
Posted by: LesSnyder

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 07:37 PM

Doug, spuds... I built the siphon to run directly to the carb inlet and not just to transfer gasoline....originally... I was given a 3500w Honda generator without a fuel tank... thought this had more utility than buying a new tank...a lot cheaper...
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: James_Van_Artsdalen
Originally Posted By: bacpacjac

Halloween decorations are not out

Yikes - I hadn't though of that. Lots of debris out for Halloween.

Don't forget garden hoses. They're like whips with one end fastened or caught on something.


I noticed that a few of my neighbours have their recycling bins on the front porch and many have decorations out too. Leaves haven't been raked either and many of the trees still have leaves that will probably xome down, hopefully without the limbs their attached to. It's going to be messy.

Keep a close eye on your street gutters. Keep them clear of debris. It might prevent flooding.
Posted by: spuds

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/29/12 09:00 PM

Thats a nice setup Les.

My VW transporter has an electric pump mounted in engine compartment,I can unhook from carb and into a can,works real well.Its a difficult vehicle to siphon from.

I cant afford to keep it licensed and insured,but it does get use as fuel storage with stabil in the gas.Good for gas storage for sure though.

Have a Honda eu2000I genny,love it,very portable,efficient and QUIET,the Yamaha's along the same line are excellent gennies too,couple Buds have them,fine machines in a small package.

Whatta ya know,just started mine and runs horrible,changed fuel,nope! Needle valve was stuck,go figure,running like a champ again.

Did a little research,recommend putting in some seafoam in fuel too,did that,seafoam is good stuff.Removes deposits pretty well. They are saying to store with seafoam in fuel if you dont empty fuel,so I will pass that along.
Posted by: Alex

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 01:07 AM

The first toll of Sandy is quite sad:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/us/sandy-bounty-ship/index.html
Posted by: ireckon

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 03:06 AM

I have a bunch of friends on Facebook in NYC who are freaking out over power outages and evacuations. I guess they're using Facebook via their cellphones. I'm not sure because I don't get that either. I would think the cell towers would be down. Anyway, if it's battery powered, they should be saving their batteries.
Posted by: GradyT34

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 03:46 AM

I think the cell towers should be OK. They're built to withstand a whole lot more wind than Sandy's kite flying winds. I'd also be surprised if the cell towers in the NE didn't have generators to keep them running. At least they do around here ever since Katrina. Even in NO in the middle of Katrina, everyone stranded here could still text.
Posted by: chaosmagnet

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 08:37 AM

I'm in the Middle East on a business trip, many of my coworkers are expecting that they will not be able to return home at the end of the week due to flight cancellations.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 10:30 AM

Originally Posted By: IzzyJG99
Originally Posted By: bacpacjac
Keep a close eye on your street gutters. Keep them clear of debris. It might prevent flooding.


I've never heard them called that. Oh, you Canadians. Here in the South we call them "Gullies." And whenever we want to describe a really heavy rain we say "A gully washer."


I like that much better, Izzy. most people around here call them gutters or sewers but I like gully.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 01:50 PM

Hurricane Sandy passed by us last night. We didn't expect much more than rain and high winds, and that's exactly what we got. Power flickered throughout the neighbourhood but we didn't loose it for more than a few minutes at a time. It was little more more than a bad fall storm but we did learn a few things.

We were pretty confident with our supplies, bug-in and bug-out plans but, in a perfectly timed turn of events, our 9 year old came down with the stomach flu yesterday. He had a few bouts of vomiting overnight and this morning. Cleaning up puke sucks at the best of times but all I could think was how much worse it would have been had the power been out.

Lesson one - he normally has a flashlight in his room (we all have one bedside) but had taken it to the basement to play. Ditto the one he borrowed from our bedroom and his sister's room. There was only one working flashlight upstairs instead of four. That's being rectified today. (Lesson one A - get a big bucket for anyone with nausea so they can stay stationary rather than try to navigate through a dark house.)

Lesson two - we have lots of extra AAs and AAAs stored but forgot about the 6v lights. Those spotlights would have really helped in the clean-up had the power been out but they were all dead. We've go a bunch of oil lamps and candles but you just can't beat the convenience of a good LED. (Even the photon I edc around my neck let me down.) Batteries in emerg lights all get checked when we change the clocks every six months, along withe fire alarms and carbon monoxide detectors. We're still a week away from that so clearly we need to either buy better batteries or check them more frequently.

Lesson three - we had kid's gravol in the medicine cabinet but it was expired. Had to break into the family bob for more. Complete meds check happening today.

Lesson four - we've been slack on re-stocking the pantry with ready to eat meals and snacks. We've got lots of staples (dried, frozen and canned rice/pasta/beans/veggies/meat/etc.) and could probably survive a month or more with what we have on hand. I stock up with more every week, but most require cooking. We only had a few days of ready to eat food in the cupboards. We were out of the line of fire for this storm but might not be so lucky next time. Putting canned soups/stews/pastas/fruit/etc. and ready to eat snacks like granola bars back onto my weekly stock-up list to extend our non-cooking a little while longer. Especially with a sick kid to deal with, grab and go stuff will be so much more convenient.

Lesson five - there's not much propane left in the BBQ tank and the two extra ones are empty. If we needed to cook, we would have been stuck using our camp stoves. They're great but I'd prefer to keep them as back-ups for home cooking.

Lesson six - there was a potential for snow and ice. We have lots of road salt in the garage but it hasn't migrated out of it's summer hibernation spot yet. Time to rotate it back to the front of the garage for easy access, and move the summer gear to the back.

Lesson seven - we've done a good job around the neighbourhood of trimming the trees, but not so on clearing the leaves. The street sewers got covered a couple of times and we would have had the beginning of a flood had we got more rain. It's happened before so everyone on the street kept an eye out.

Lesson eight - some poor smucks (including my hubby) went out every few hours to clear those leaves from the gutters and they risked being hit by flying halloween decorations, hanging pots and recycling when we did. Some of my neighbours need to be reminded the those turns turn into projectiles in high wind and need to be moved into the garage.

Lesson nine - we still don't have a good solution for heating the house if the power goes out, other than extra clothes/blankets, food, warm drinks, pocket warmers, etc. We live in a townhouse and I'm leary about using the Coleman propane heater in the house. Researching installing a woodstove has been moved up the priority list.
Posted by: gulliamo

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 03:10 PM

I'm uptown and on "high ground" so didn't lose power or water - only cable internet. Cell phone signal, including high-speed 4G internet, was up the entire time.

An interesting observation: Everyone with their urban assault vehicles (big Jeeps, Hummers, etc.) were completely stuck while those with smaller vehicles could get under this obstacle. lolz

Posted by: Russ

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 03:55 PM

Great picture of a Mercedes under a cord of firewood -- and people wonder how they'll heat their homes. cool
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 04:45 PM

The DC area fared better than expected. Some isolated tragedies, involving trees, cars and carbon monoxide.

Storm peaked wind-wise between 6p-midnight. I went out on the sidewalk a few times to survey the situation and the higher gusts were scary. Fortunately, my block's only damage was a "Detour Ahead" sign whose wood post was sheared. Thought a mid-size tree near my house was going to go but it didn't.

This tree a block away gave up the ghost. The Volvo owner was pretty sanguine about it:



Posted by: Alex

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 04:57 PM

The Callcentric - one of the most popular IP telephony providers is completely down. Even though the Internet network was OK. What means they can not be trusted in a survival situation. I know a lot of people here in the SF Bay Area, who has replaced their landline with Callcentric service. Perhaps Calcentric is saving money by serving clients from a single data center without any redundancy.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 05:51 PM

Originally Posted By: IzzyJG99
Originally Posted By: bacpacjac
Hurricane Sandy passed by us last night. We didn't expect much more than rain and high winds, and that's exactly what we got. Power flickered throughout the neighbourhood but we didn't loose it for more than a few minutes at a time. It was little more more than a bad fall storm but we did learn a few things.


You've still got more coming.


Exactly. It's a lull in the storm. Good time to take advantage of to fix up a few holes in the preps. And sleep. A nap or two is definitely in order for all of us. It was a long night.

Our thinking exactly. It's calm today but we're still getting strong gusts and the sky is overcast but bright, but in the distance it's dark and ominous. Just about everyone I've interacted with has appeared to think it's over but the fat lady hasn't sung yet.

I had a craving for nachoes and salsa, so I ventured out to the grocery store. (hubby was working on cleaning up the garage and checking our trees for damage) It was very quiet, except for the store alarm system that was going off every 10 minutes. (The cashier said that if it wasn't for the alarm and the odd customer, she'd be bored. She was hoping to be sent home since they were over-staffed.) After stopping at the pharmacy for children's gravol, I took advantage of some sales and grabbed a dozen and a half canned and tetra soups and stews, a bulk box 64 of granola bars, 32 fruit cups and big jar of salsa and some nacho chips. Then I snagged some (3 X AAA) LED flashlights (one for every room), new batteries for all the fire alarms and carbon monoxide dectors in the house, and a couple of new batteries for our 6v lights. I used my debit card, preferring to keep the cash in case things do get worse.

Our area has faired very well so far. There very some tiny branches (a little more than twigs) on the driveway, but both vehicles looked to have not a scratch. We lost one tree in the neighbourhood, but thankfully it only hit a fence. There are about a gazillion leaves on the streets, and people are out cleaning them up. On my drive to and from the store, I saw some downed tree limbs and small branches, and some ripped up fences, but it's'basically life as usual. The schools, library and stores are open.
Posted by: Meadowlark

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 06:05 PM


Now it sounds like you're ready for anything, bacpacjac!

It's close calls like these that can serve as reminders to assess one's preps. It never amazes me how many times I overlook an expired or used-up item, even with seasonal checks. Comfort items (like nacho chips) always seem to come up short, as I sometimes don't replenish them as they're not "vital". Yet when a snowstorm drifts us in, what do I rue not having the most? Comfort items.
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 07:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Meadowlark


Comfort items (like nacho chips) always seem to come up short, as I sometimes don't replenish them as they're not "vital". Yet when a snowstorm drifts us in, what do I rue not having the most? Comfort items.



Good observation. The spinach I bought pre-storm remains untouched. The ice cream and Tostitos are another story.


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Posted by: 7point82

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 07:37 PM

Spinach? Sounds familiar ... isn't that a cutting agent used for bacon, artichoke hearts, garlic, cheese, sour cream and mayo?

You're going to have to venture back out to the store for more tortilla chips; they're the delivery system. wink

Glad you're relatively unscathed Dagny.
Posted by: Teslinhiker

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: bacpacjac
Hurricane Sandy passed by us last night. We didn't expect much more than rain and high winds, and that's exactly what we got. Power flickered throughout the neighbourhood but we didn't loose it for more than a few minutes at a time. It was little more more than a bad fall storm but we did learn a few things.


Great report Bacpac. At least you are much more prepared then many who resorted to downloading flashlight apps for their iPhones...

Speaking of apps, even though we are more 3000+ miles away on the west coast, I still have an interest in the hurricane news the past few days. One web and multi-platform mobile app I found to be invaluable is Tunein Radio. This all in one app is available for Android, Apple, Blackberry, Windows phone and allows one to listen to 1000's of different news radio broadcasts, police / fire department dispatchers etc over wifi or cell networks. I have had this app running quite a bit while at my work desk and it has earned a permanent install on my phone.

No affiliation etc..
Posted by: James_Van_Artsdalen

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 09:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Dagny

I went out on the sidewalk a few times to survey the situation

For our listening audience: hurricanes often have tornadoes and it's risky outdoors even if the eyewall isn't nearby.

Quote:

This tree a block away gave up the ghost.

That tree has no roots! Note to self - don't park next to a tree crowded by pavement and side walk when a windstorm blows by.

The one thick root in the picture probably extended into the storm drain to draw water.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Dagny
Originally Posted By: Meadowlark


Comfort items (like nacho chips) always seem to come up short, as I sometimes don't replenish them as they're not "vital". Yet when a snowstorm drifts us in, what do I rue not having the most? Comfort items.



Good observation. The spinach I bought pre-storm remains untouched. The ice cream and Tostitos are another story.

You had icecream? Thant's riding a storm out in style, Dagny. Glad you came through it safe and sound!







Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 09:52 PM

Thanks John! Hubby's going to download it to his phone and I'm looking for a version for my tablet. We do have a couple of radios, including a crank one, but this sounds more robust.
Posted by: spuds

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 10:01 PM

Sooooo.....how are your rain totals going? Anyone in snow zones?
Posted by: Lono

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/30/12 11:22 PM

Originally Posted By: gulliamo
I'm uptown and on "high ground" so didn't lose power or water - only cable internet. Cell phone signal, including high-speed 4G internet, was up the entire time.

An interesting observation: Everyone with their urban assault vehicles (big Jeeps, Hummers, etc.) were completely stuck while those with smaller vehicles could get under this obstacle. lolz



Ooo, my fingers are getting twitchy just looking at that obstacle - nothing that an hour with a Stihl can't solve.
Posted by: Famdoc

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/31/12 01:01 AM

lights stayed on in most of Central PA so far. Less wind/rain than forecast, for which we're thankful. More weather to come
Posted by: MDinana

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 10/31/12 02:10 AM

Seems like things are over here. Overall a relatively mild "winter storm." For us, winds 30-40 at gusts. About 4 inches of rain. Localized flooding. Absolutely NOTHING remarkable for us.

It was a dry-run for re-arranging the garage to fit both vehicles, find the various lights/lanterns, make sure the water and gas cans were filled up, all batteries charged and electronics living on their chargers (in case of power failure - wife and I both on-call). One bathtub filled w/ water for washing/toilet duty.

Overall I think we were well prepared for something, and nothing materialized! I really wish we had a little more problems, just so I could stress-test my system. So far it's been 99% theoretical.

Have friends in Philly, NJ and NYC - most of them are accounted for and doing well enough. One still MIA, but she's a poor communicator at the best of times.

Good luck to the rest of you dealing w/ the storm and its aftermath!
Posted by: Paul810

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/03/12 11:14 PM

I'm back! At least for now. crazy

It's been pure hell around here. My area still has no power, no cable tv, no internet, limited phone service, and basically no gasoline. Getting around is difficult with trees and wires still blocking some roads.

Thankfully I fared better than most with only one tree down, which took out the service on the side of our house. We luckily didn't get the heavy rain here, but I've got friends further south whose homes are a complete loss with 4+ feet of water and sand on their first floor.

Our generator has been a godsend. It's been humming along since Monday keeping our food cold and our house warm. We aren't expected to get utility power back to our area until at least Wednesday, with other utilities to follow. I'm especially glad my generator and truck is diesel, as I've still got 1500 gallons on hand, whereas people with gas generators have been fighting tooth and nail for gas.

Our home phone and cell phone service has been iffy. Verizon was fine with text messages (as long as they're text only), calling often didn't work. Now it's getting more reliable. Sprint was absolutely useless. This is the first day I'm getting WiMAX on my laptop and people with Sprint cell phones are still having a lot of trouble making and receiving calls.

Not sure what else to say, except I hope everyone else here did ok.
Posted by: spuds

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/03/12 11:42 PM

Wow Paul,NICE genney setup you have!
Posted by: gulliamo

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/04/12 06:44 PM

Quick update: While we're all sorted we have neighbors that still don't have power and won't until the 10th! The gas stations have 2-4 hour waits. The temp is dropping.

What this tells me: You can't rely on timely local power restoration. Your generator won't have enough fuel. Bug out to the hills isn't a good option as society hasn't collapsed and you still need to go to work/school/etc. (it seems many on this forum can't wait to execute this option).

Conclusion: #1 Survival Kit item = Social Network. Ensure you have a good network of friends and neighbors. Open up your door to them when they have issues and it will be open to you when you do.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/04/12 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: gulliamo
Quick update: While we're all sorted we have neighbors that still don't have power and won't until the 10th! The gas stations have 2-4 hour waits. The temp is dropping.

What this tells me: You can't rely on timely local power restoration. Your generator won't have enough fuel. Bug out to the hills isn't a good option as society hasn't collapsed and you still need to go to work/school/etc. (it seems many on this forum can't wait to execute this option).

Conclusion: #1 Survival Kit item = Social Network. Ensure you have a good network of friends and neighbors. Open up your door to them when they have issues and it will be open to you when you do.


Great observations, gulliamo, except maybe the "many on this forum can't wait to bug-out" part. In my experience, most people this forum think bug-in first. In fact, most of the recent Hurricane Sandy posts reflect that. Most of us seem to be trying increase our bug-in abilities. Martin's tread is an excellent example of families preparing as best they can to bug-in and communities pulling together to make things work as best they can.

There are some very valid reasons why some have and will consider bugging-out in these circumstances. Your post reflects this very well. Soaked by flooding, freezing temps moving in, already been without power for a week and serious fuel shortages in the region, seem like pretty valid reasons for some people to bug-out to me. Very few people, especially in the area hit by this storm, have the ability to be self-sifficient indefintiely.

The thing that I find interesting, is the tipping point between when to stay and when to go. You made it through the event and you're past the initial 72 hour period. It's been a week now and you're soaked, powerless, supplies are running low either at home or at stores/gas stations or both, etc. but civilization is right around the corner. Emergency services are slowly staring to arrive but your tropical storm is now turning into a winter storm. If you've got the fuel and have a destination, do you go?
Posted by: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/04/12 08:46 PM

Quote:
Bug out to the hills isn't a good option as society hasn't collapsed and you still need to go to work/school/etc. (it seems many on this forum can't wait to execute this option).


Doesn't have to be for the Hills. I hear the Canary Islands are nice this time of year. Its where I spent a few weeks at the beginning of Y2K. wink
Posted by: gulliamo

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/06/12 04:45 AM

Excellent points bacpacjak! I'm always a bit leery of the "run-for-the-woods" version of bug-out vs. the "bug-out to friend/relative's place". It could be that all the cool gear and equipment come along with the woods version... J

I'm sure most on this board recognize the "woods" option as a last resort but we owe it to the newcomers to remind them how distant an option that should be.

Am I really far off here?
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/06/12 12:03 PM

Originally Posted By: gulliamo
Excellent points bacpacjak! I'm always a bit leery of the "run-for-the-woods" version of bug-out vs. the "bug-out to friend/relative's place". It could be that all the cool gear and equipment come along with the woods version... J

I'm sure most on this board recognize the "woods" option as a last resort but we owe it to the newcomers to remind them how distant an option that should be.

Am I really far off here?


For our preps, there are two bug-out scenarios: Go to a hotel or friend/relative's place until things calm down (i.e. short term, location specific event, like a house fire or neighbourhood event) -or- get out of dodge, which would be a more regional event (like the flooding they've seen in this event. A bug-out with just your family or a few families is an entirely different event than one where thousands of people are trying to get out.


Something else to consider is that by all accounts, returning to some of the areas affected by this disaster is not as easy as it was to go out. (i.e. Carpool restrictions, for instance.)
Posted by: gulliamo

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/07/12 01:54 PM

Agreed. But none of those seem like a "run-for-the-woods" scenario. I'm not sure of a plausible scenario where "run-for-the-woods" would be advisable yet that is what many here seem to be preparing for. That was my point.

Sorry to derail the thread... back to storm updates.
Posted by: bacpacjac

Re: Major East coast storm a brewin' - 11/07/12 02:38 PM

Originally Posted By: gulliamo
Agreed. But none of those seem like a "run-for-the-woods" scenario. I'm not sure of a plausible scenario where "run-for-the-woods" would be advisable yet that is what many here seem to be preparing for. That was my point.

Sorry to derail the thread... back to storm updates.


I don't think it's a derail, but an important point of clarification. We need to be clear that "run" doesn't necessarily "run-for-the-woods". Our familie's going to a local hotel/family/friend's house kit is very different from our get-the-heck-out-of-Dodge kit.

BUT...it's important to realize that the two could easily merge, at least for a time, during the evac. Bugging-out, when there's regional fuel shortages for exampe, could easily turn into a more, shall we say, rustic experience, along the route to getting to our chosen destination, especially if thousands of other people are trying to do the same thing. Running out of gas, having to wait overnight (or longer) to refuel, for a blizzard to pass, etc. are all very real possibilities. We've had countless examples on ETS of people trying to get from one home to another or to a hotel, who got stuck along the way because of storms, power failures, etc. You can be smack in the middle of civilization and still be reduced to living out of your pack.

We also need to keep in mind that if we're need to bug-out to a public shelter, that isn't the same as a hotel. Many people affected by Hurricane Sandy and seeking public shelter, were advised to bring bedding, hygiene, etc. to the shelters with them. Just because a shelter is set-up, doesn't mean it will be stocked.