Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors

Posted by: MartinFocazio

Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/16/10 11:52 AM

http://www.businessinsider.com/un-health...-settles-2010-4

Here's a shelter-in-place scenario for you!

Some volcano 2,000 miles away shuts down everything.

Yes, it could happen here in the USA - without the Yellowstone scenario.

Posted by: Johno

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/16/10 01:04 PM

Best get the beers in then.
Posted by: Dagny

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/16/10 01:46 PM

Originally Posted By: martinfocazio
http://www.businessinsider.com/un-health...-settles-2010-4

Here's a shelter-in-place scenario for you!

Some volcano 2,000 miles away shuts down everything.

Yes, it could happen here in the USA - without the Yellowstone scenario.



Yep. I lived 35 air miles from Mt. St. Helens when it blew.

And had just had my '69 Mustang painted. Ash is bad for lungs, engines and auto paint.

Posted by: CANOEDOGS

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/16/10 01:48 PM

John..i read where you smell that volcano in Scotland!!!
Posted by: Horus

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/16/10 02:38 PM

If you haven't seen it already, here's some good video of the volcano, shot by Iceland TV. It even has some good Euro trash music to accompany it.
http://www.gettingprepared.info/blog/video-the-iceland-volcano/
Posted by: clearwater

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/16/10 03:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Dagny
Originally Posted By: martinfocazio
http://www.businessinsider.com/un-health...-settles-2010-4

Here's a shelter-in-place scenario for you!

Some volcano 2,000 miles away shuts down everything.

Yes, it could happen here in the USA - without the Yellowstone scenario.



Yep. I lived 35 air miles from Mt. St. Helens when it blew.

And had just had my '69 Mustang painted. Ash is bad for lungs, engines and auto paint.



I lost a motorcycle engine to Mt. St. Helens. Also spent
a week stranded indoors at a friend's house.

Don't drive, and replace those air filters asap.
Posted by: MostlyHarmless

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/16/10 04:12 PM

I thought the "stay-indoors" alert was a hoax. I followed those links, and they seem pretty insubstantial. All it says is that some anonymous "UN official" says so-and-so.

Now there's a bit more meat to the bone from other sources. The source now has a name to it, seems credible - but still way out of proportions. It MAY come to a point where it would be advisable to stay indoors during ash fallout. Particular for people with airway issues.

Just business as usual. It may come to this, it may come to that... and then all you read in the headline is STAY INDOORS. As always I'm impressed by how the media distorts things to gain attention.
Posted by: ILBob

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/16/10 04:37 PM

My brother is stuck in Denmark.

He can't get home because there are no flights. He can't even get a train ticket because they are sold out. Can't get a hotel room anywhere near Copenhagen, so he is a long ways out. Can't get a rental car even.

About all he can do is wander around whatever town he managed to snag a room in.

I was kind of hoping he would have to sleep on a park bench. smile
Posted by: adam2

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/17/10 09:15 AM

I am not aware of any advice or instruction to stay indoors, no ash or dust can be seen here, it is a bright sunny morning with a clear blue sky.
Life carries on as normal, except of course for those wishing to fly, or otherwise reliant on the aviation industry.

One should of course be prepared with supplies and plans etc. for sheltering in place, in case of pandemics, radiation release, escape of toxic chemicals, or natural disasters.
There does not appear however to be any need for sheltering in place at present in the UK.
Posted by: Brangdon

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/17/10 01:07 PM

The advice I've seen is that it won't affect you unless you have a pre-existing condition, like asthma (in which case you are probably affected by everything anyway, and you'll already know about it).

Here in Nottingham (middle England) it's sunny, but cold. I don't know if the cold is due to the dust. (If it is, I may have a solution to global warming.)
Posted by: chaosmagnet

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/17/10 01:31 PM

Is there anything you can do, such as frequent air-filter changes, to keep a car running when there's a lot of ash in the air?
Posted by: Susan

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/17/10 05:49 PM

"Is there anything you can do, such as frequent air-filter changes, to keep a car running when there's a lot of ash in the air?"

I was talking to a neighbor who was caught traveling downwind of St. Helens' big blast. They were out in the middle of nowhere. He said he would have to stop and pull out the air filter about every two miles to knock the ash out of it. He would pass people in stalled cars and yell out the window, "Clean out your air filter!" Some girls asked, "How?" and he stopped to show them.

People who've had no experience with volcano ash get a rude awakening when they have to deal with it. It isn't like wood ash.

Looked at under a microscope, you're looking at shards of broken glass. This is what causes the lung and eye problems.

It is very, very fine, and very light. It floats and flies and hangs in the air. You can't sweep it or shovel it, as it just becomes airborne again. It gets through every unsealed crack in every building.

It's really a health hazard to everyone, not just to people with breathing problems. Those glass shards stay in the lungs, like asbestos or silicosis -- you can't cough it out, it stays forever.

For all its lightness, it holds water like a sponge. I've read that if you have 4" of ash on your roof and get enough rain, it will collapse your roof. It changes from incredibly light to a substance like wet concrete.

Don't underestimate this stuff. If you've got it coming down, use breathing protection. And don't wear tight clothes, either. And keep your pets indoors, too.

Sue
Posted by: ILBob

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/18/10 03:08 PM

I was talking with a pilot acquaintance yesterday. He is scheduled to fly to Germany tomorrow. They had not canceled the flight yet, but he said that he expects it will be cancelled.

My understanding is that even after the volcano shuts down it may be several weeks before air travel can get back to normal.
Posted by: ILBob

Re: Europe Health Alert: Stay Indoors - 04/19/10 03:04 PM

I got a couple of emails from my brother.

Saturday.

Quote:
I think mom may have overstated the case a bit, at least about the hotel. I did have to move to a hotel outside the city center, but I can still walk to downtown. In most places you can still find a hotel room if you look carefully as people coming in never made it. The trains are indeed sold out until Tuesday, at least between Denmark and Sweden, and I have heard similar stories about Eurostar between London and Paris. Rental cars and the ferries are also sold out. Otherwise life here has gone on pretty much as normal and people are taking a very positive attitude to everything. It has been sunny and bright in Copenhagen until today, but it was impossible to tell if the clouds were related to volcano. I donít believe that we have had any ash fall here. The reports now are claiming that airspace is scheduled to open in Denmark by 2am Sunday morning (weíll see).

My real problem is that I was supposed to be in Stockholm this weekend and then return to the states on Tuesday morning. If I canít get to Stockholm by Tuesday morning, rebooking flights out of Scandinavia this week is going to be tough. My colleagues were supposed to leave Friday morning for the States and the earliest they could get rebooked was Thursday.


This morning.

Quote:
According to SASís web site Chicago/New York flights to Stockholm left the US last night and are scheduled to arrive on time today in the next few hours. The Copenhagen flights also left, but have been diverted to Oslo. Most internal Scandinavian flights, however, are still canceled today (Monday) with the exception of northern Norway. I have been rebooked on the 1015am SAS flight from Stockholm to Chicago on Friday, but they wanted me to fly from Copenhagen Friday morning to connect. I did not think that was such a good idea and was able to buy a seat on a train from Copenhagen to Stockholm tomorrow (Tuesday). Apparently there are a few seats left on select trains, but the majority of trains are sold out until Thursday. I donít expect any additional problems, unless something usual happens (which seems to be par for the course on this trip!).

As I may have mentioned to a few of you, most people are taking this in stride. Hotel staff has been extremely accommodating and the airlines are doing a decent job of keeping people informed (actually, given their history they doing a good job). Despite the overly protective nature of the European governmental response, it is difficult to find many travelers who have been critical of the delays. Although I am sure it will not be long before the industry begins to complain (perhaps another bail out is in the works as airlines cannot buy insurance against such events).

I am soooo glad this happened in Scandinavia and not Albania!