EARTH IS GETTING FUNNY ON US

http://www.cnn.com/WEATHER/

I think global warming is just Mother Nature's way of saying "Guys! Take a hint!"

US scientists, looking at satelite imagery, have determined this to be a hurricane.

Brazillian scientists, who are actually in Brazil, say it's not.

Obviously the US is correct. If the Brailians do not come clean about their WMD - weather of mass destruction - then they might have to face a wrath worse than any Mother Nature could dish out. <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Ed

*If* Significant or even Sweeping World Climate Shifts may Occur in the Next Years or Decades, -Well Have to Make the Appropriate Adjustments in our Global Climatic / Survival Preparations!

This is Something that Many to Most of us Well Know, (Though All may Not Agree to the Actual Phenonomon Coming About, or to it's Extent), -But Now can Serve as a Good Time for a Reminder.

Desert Survival will Still be Desert Survival. Jungle Survival will Still be Jungle Survival! Few if Any Real Changes there! Mainly Things like the Different Geographical Terrain, Altitude Effects, Different Daylight Lengths for Different Latitudes, The Prescence or Abscence of any amount of Rain Shadow Effect over what there was of it Beforehand, Etc, Etc. Those Sorts of Things.

For many a Given Climate too!, Could be Moving to a Different Part of the World!, -Not Only Plants, Animals, and a Given Number of us Humans.

But Keeping the Applicability of such Foregoing Factors in Mind, on a Case by Case Basis, -Deserts will Still be Deserts, Jungles will Still be Jungles! Much to Entirely as they are Today!

Only Many of their Locations will Change! At least Some Will, -in such a Scenario. Others will at One and the Same Time, -Stay Put Right Where they Are. Perhaps with Only a Change in Extent or Intensity, -Upward or Downward. Some may even Stay the Same as they Are, in these Regards as well.

Climates will at least Largely be our Same Familiar World Climates, -just Transposed Off to a New World Location.

People are Gonna Move Around too! And some Prepared Survivors like Us, -Will be just a Small Subset of Such.

Animals and Plants will in One Way or Another, Move About too! There will be some Notable Species Shifts. There will be an Adjustment Period. And this Process can Take Some Time. This could have Important Implications as to What you Grow and Gather, in such an Area and Time!

I Suggest in any event, that we Bone Up on Things like Gardening, Soils, and Seeds!, and Actively Save, Preserve, and Gather various Seeds. (Preferably Not All Limited to your Own Climate or Area of the World, -though This Aspect can be Easier Said than Done! Seed Catalogs, however, can Make a Lot of That Easier!)

Go to the Plants / Botany / Gardening / Greenhouse / and Other Horticultural Books and Resources! Some Aspects of our Survival and Preparedness, Can of course Best and Better Be Served!, -By Dipping into *Other* Spheres, Pools, and Fields! Of course Some Such Fields, -Hunting, Fishing, Firearms, First Aid, and Many Others, -*Are* Closely "Within our Orbit". But Ones such as at least a Basic Familiarity with Foreign Languages and Cultures, and Good Ole Plants and Gardening, -Often are Not so Readily so! But Often Can be Just as Important! Of course we Cannot Dip in Depth into Every Important, Accompanying Survivi-Prep Pool of Life. But we Can certainly Dip Into, or at least Get a Nodding, Working Familiarity, -With at Least Some! I'll someday Post a Basic List, Towards Getting People Off on a Good Starting Point. Let me again Suggest now, that Plants, Soils, Seeds, and Gardening!, -is Certainly an Important Such One! This can and Shud Be an Entire Subset of our Survivi-Prep World, -"Survival Gardening"! Look at What a Great Food Resource This is!, -Here in Good Old American or Other Worldwide Gardening, and Life! If we in an Emergency or Survival Situation, -Can also Apply That to Survival and Life!,....What a Boon!, What a Difference!, that can Make or Be!!!

The Art and Science of Digging, -Hand Digging, -is Another Very Important and Applicable Matter! And on How to Most Effectively and Easily Do That! I Have some Concrete Ideas on This as well. That will be the Topic of an Upcoming Post.

(One Advance Word, of which Many of us Know Anyway. Which is to Wet your Soil, Especially various Harder Soils, Before Digging It, to the Extent Water Availability may Make this Possible! Wetted Soil is Substantially Easier to Dig, than Hard, Compacted, Dry Soil!)

And the World Soils Situation wuold Need Some Time to "Catch Up"!, as Well, -in any Major or Substantial Global Climate Changes / Shifts. A Desert may Appear in a New Area, -But it Will Still be of it's Old Soil! For a While Anyway! It Won' Outright Start Out!, as a Desert Soil! Sure, Because of the New Desert Conditions, You Mightent be Able to Grow Much of Anything in it!, -Not Without Irrigation anyway, -a Whole Nother Matter! But you Won't, at least at the Start, have Desert Soils to Work With! This will be Another Major Difference Between Earlier and Later Areas and Times! A Former *NON*-Desert Area may then be like the Sonoran, -But Still have the Soil of say a Grassland. Soils will Somewhat Lag too! And Be Something of a Different Matter!, -Within a Larger Desert Similarity! Prepare for This as Well! In this Case anyway, at least your Soil will often be Better for you!, -than in a Typical Desert! But Changes and "Things Remaining the Sames", -Will Not Always be for the Better!

A New Desert may also Occupy a Larger or Smaller Land Area. (If, for Example, an Alaska Like Projection Went Out Westward from Morocco and Mauritania, into the Atlantic, -That would be Desert too! And the Sahara would be Even Larger! Thats Hypothetically Speaking. But if Such were So, It would Serve as an "As Real as Real Gets!", Kind of Situation. The New Abutment would be an Additional Part of tha Already Large Sahara. As the Area Taken Up by such Imaginary Land Abutment, -Now *Actually* Stands, -It is an "Oceanic Desert". Were you Sailing There, It would be an Extension of the Sahara Desert!, -Only with a Water Surface!) So Depending Where New Climatic Areas Form!, -of How Much They Do or Do Not Form over the World's Waters, -We could Have Larger or Smaller Actual Areas of Such Climate Shifts!, Over What Climes we have Now!

Also, We may be either Blessed, or Disadvantaged, by the Presence or Abscence of Rivers, (and Sizeable Lakes, Etc), -Flowing Thru such a New Climatic Area! Much as the World Deserts are Now Blessed by Rivers like the Nile, Niger, Indus, Okovango, Colorado, and Amu and Syr Daryas Flowing Thru Them! Also, there will be the Matter of Climatic Shifts in such a River's Source Area, -for Better or Worse, -to Consider here too!

*If* such Sizeable Climatic Shifts and Changes Come About!, -We Will Have To also Shift, in our Lifestyles and Preparations too! Deserts will Still be Deserts, and Jungles Jungles! So Much as Now Exists as Standard to These!, -Will Remain! Just it's Given Area of the World!, May be Quite Different!

Major Parts of the Antarctic Icesheet may Break Off, to Melt and Merge with the World's Oceans, Seriously and Significantly Raising World Sea Levels! Havoc and Disruptions Galore would Follow! As would Both Advantages and Disadvantages, -Depending on the Given Area of the World you're Talking About! / So Affected.

I'm Going by the Well Known, Oft Quoted, Rise in Over 200 Feet in World Sea Levels!, -Were All of the Antarctic Icecap ( 90 % of the World's Ice!) to Melt! I Do Not Neccessarily Feel or Say that it will Involve All of it's Icecap! But if even a Sizeable Part shud Break Off, Melt, and so Raise World Sea Levels!....Mega Rises can Still be in Order!!

And we Distinctly Could Have!, -The Mother of All Volcanic Eruptions Upon U.S.! As Well as Much of Adjacent Canada. If Yellowstone Shud Blow!, -Megablow! As the Volcanic and Earth Sciences Community KNOW to be Distinctly Possible and Likely! And Sooner or Later, -To Become a Surety! Every 600,000 Years or So, -Yellowstone *Does*! And we're Now Right About on it's Next, 600,000 Year "Due Mark"! America, or at Least Much of it, can be "Pinatuboed"!, as the Phillipines U.S. Clark Air Force Base was!

And Our Enemies and Others from Without, Would be Glad to Come in and Fill some New American Voids! "Nature Abhors a Vacuum!" Especially Power Vacuums.

Between our Holding our various Number of Balls in the Air!, Including such a Newest Mega-Volcano One on our Own Soil!, -Will we Have Strength, Resources, and Will Enuff Left Over to Meet!?, -Such Comers In from Without!?

The Yellowstone Hot Spot may Well *Not* Yet Blow, in our Lifetimes! But Then Again, -It Just as Likely May! We Simply Don't Know When it Shall Do so, for Sure! But that it WILL Do so!, -We *Do* Know for Sure!

Natural Disasters and Catastrophes are the Great Wild Card!, in Some of the Affairs of Society and Man! Something like Yellowstone Occurring, or Sizeable Parts of the Antarctic Icecap Breaking Off!, -Could Again be One of Them!

Just Look at Vesuvius Rome! Or Thera / Santorini! Or Minoan Crete! Or the 1816 "Year Without a Summer"! -Thanks to a Massive but Distant and Obscure, Indonesian Volcano! (Tambora). Or our Own Great Plains Dustbowl, which was at least Exacerbated by Us! Disease Outbreaks such as Europe's Plague! And of Major Decisive Battles Being Cut Off Midway!,-Because of an Unexpected Eclipse! The List can Go On and On! So Look also to Plain Old Science, Weather, and Nature!, -Not Only to the Socio-Political Affairs of Man! For Some of the Scoop of What May be Happening in the Affairs of Man!

Any such Climatic Shifts will also Shift our Survival Preparations Accordingly! Keep Abreast of any Gathering Developments as *May* Occur, -And to the Extent Any of These Do Come About, -Be Ready for Them!
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Its all a bit depressing, especially when our polititions seem to be working for big business and lining thier own pockets, rather than looking after the world we live in.
As well as global warming and the climate change that will bring, we also face mass extinctions, and a possible reversal of the Earths magnetic field. See the links below.
http://tinyurl.com/z9jf

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/magnetic/

The older I get I try to live a more enviromentally friendly exsistance - recycling, solar energy, walking and cycling instead of taking the car. However it is debatable what use our survival skills might have if we don't have an ozone layer to protect us or a sustainable biosphere around us.
As someone once said - it never rains, it pours.

Many Quarters are Bad Enuf, or Have the Distinct Potential to Become Environmentally Bad Enuf! But it's Not All so Bad! There *are* Still Very Many Pristine, Empty, and Wild Areas Left in and Across our World!

This may Seem At Odds with What I say in another Reply within this Thread. But it is Not. And there Isn't any such Contradiction. There and Here, I Address some Bad Side Climatic Effects which Reasonably Can be Coming About. But Also, especially here, -I Address How Much Still remains Good and Wild! And as Such, -On How Everything's Not Environmentally or Entirely All so Bad! Notwithstanding As Bad or perhaps to Become Bad, as Some Aspects Are / Will Possibly Be!

There are, however, Some Real and Existing / Potential Enviro-Climatic Concerns!, on Man's Environmental Plate right now! Some of which you Mention!

Everything is Far from Entirely Good! But Far from Everything is Entirely Bad either! There is Both Much that is Good!, and a Good Deal that is (variously) Bad!, -on the All Round Environmental Scene of Today!

I Hope you've Had a Nice Holiday! As I can be Pretty Sure you Have. (Worry Not about not having yet Gooten Back to me, as we were speaking of! Those Sort of Things Happen!) [color:"black"] [/color] [email]joblot[/email]

You've evidently not done much excavation work...the job shuts down when it rains, makes for a sticky, sloppy mess. Digging in dry earth is always preferable to digging in mud.

When you're talking disruptions on that scale... sorry, but all the trinkets and knowledge in the world aren't going to matter...give me a good bottle of wine and a front row seat to the fireworks, might as well go out with a bang and a flourish.

Your right - I'm also getting a bit gloomy in my old age!
I'll try and be more optimistic in the future.
Cheers
Martin

I did Think of Much of your Down Side of Digging in the Rain and Mud! It certainly is Sticky and Slippery at such times!

What I Really was Getting At, was Things like Hard, Dry Ground, on a Dryish, Non-Rainy Day. Here you would Want to "Lubricate" the Ground with Water. In these sorts of Conditions, it shud Make the Digging Easier! At Least a Lot of the Time. ( Individual Situations and Conditions can Often Vary somewhat)

But Sure, When it's Much Wetter Out!, -You're at the Other End of the Spectrum, -and Would Want some Drier Ground to Work in!

Thanks for your Comment and Criticism. [color:"black"] [/color] [email]wildcard163[/email]

There is certainly something going on with the weather, I can remember years ago when we actually got snow in the winter and sunshine in the summer. Now it seems that it goes from a really hard rain a couple days to really hot sunshine the next couple days with no in between all year round. My garden gets washed away and sunburnt in the same week and then in the spring time I find things that have managed to grow during the winter. Problem is I don't know if its a normal cycle or something we have done. People bash SUV''s but the air coming out of thier tailpipe is cleaner than the air going in and we waste resources building tiny cars that don't last more than a couple years. The US government makes industry add on all kind of pollution controls and recycle their waste so US industry just moves to China where they can pollute without care and dump waste anywhere they please and we loose American jobs in the process so which way is right?

"Which way is right?"
Ultimatly we all lose. The trouble is no-one can acuratley predict what the effects will be.
I read an article which predicted two outcomes for the Scottish climate in the next 50 years.
1 - The temperate rises - we lose some land, and a large perportion of indigenous wildlife. On the plus side we could now have the climate for grapes and vineyards - a good 500 miles north of the most northly vineyards in Britain today.

2 - The Gulf stream shifts southward (its getting a bit erratic now) and most of Nortern Europe is plunged in to a new ice age. Plus side - none.

As for the Chinese, if they are willing to let others pollute there own backyard in the name of prosperty - so be it. As for the ethics of the businesses that choose to do that - Shame on them . Its sad reflection on our culture that we allow the persuit of money to override all other considerations.
We will all have to lie in the bed we make for ourselves.

Yes, No Matter What Warming may be Going On, No Matter What we May andor May Not be Adversely Doing to Affect Global (and Local) Climate!, -An Ice Age Also!, Will someday Naturally Come!

Unless to Some or All of an Extent, Global Warming may Cancel that Out. If our Global Warming Trends still be Around, when such a Renewed Ice Age Time eventually Comes Around.

These Global Warming Trends that may now Well be Going On, -Can either be Naturally Caused, Man Caused, or Some Combination of Both.

Not Until we Get to the Root Cause(s) of *Natural* Ice Age Swings, and then in Some Distant Day be actually Able to Correctively Do Something About It!, -Not Until Those Days!, -Will we be Able to Escape and Avert Ice Age Dangers!

May Global Warming Cancel such Future Tendancies Out. May Earth Not Get Too Warm or Hot in the Meantime. May we be Able to Solve and Avert New Ice Age Tendancies in Time, -Before Earth's Temperature Pendulum starts Swinging Downward once again!

Fortunately, We May have More Time on our Side regarding that Last One. But Current Warming Tendancies can be a Far Closer Shave!

The Root, Natural Causes of our Natural Ice Ages, -are at Least Largely, perhaps even Totally, -Astronomically Caused.

Due to Several Small Wobbles or Other Long Term Irreagularities in our Orbit Around the Sun / And our Rotation and Axial Tilt. There are Three, perhaps Four, such Main Motions. Ballpark Estimates on my Part, for these Main Three Irreagularities, -are of Some 25,000 Years, 41,000 Years, and 100,000 Years!

I'm Foggy on the Details, but they are Well Known, Commonly Accepted, and Readily Available in Many Public Sources. As are the Specific Astronomical Irreagularities that these Figures Comport to.

In Short, These Change our Earth's Axial Orientation to the Sun, as well as our Distance from that Warmth Providing Sun!

Then Hemispherical, Meteorological, Ice and Cloud Cover Reflectivity, and Other Earth Science Factors then Come into Play! Sending us even More Down a Slippery Ice Age Slope!

Much of Earth then typically Stays Locked Into Such!, for 8,000, 10,000, or 15,000 Years, -Until various Natural Conditions at Last begin Swinging our Climate Pendulum Back the Other, Warmer Way! We then might Get the Better Part of a 10,000 Year, Warmer Cycle. Of Which we are in Now. -The *Later* Stages of such a One Now!

But Anymore on our Earth, -Ice Ages seem to be More Commonplace!

Earth was Considerably Warmer, -Back in Dinosaur Days, for example. Something was Different in our Earth-Sun Interaction!, Back in Those Times.

The Important Thing of course, -Is What Do we Do About It Now and Into the Future?!

We may Simply Have to Someday Physically Adjust!, -our Axial and Orbital Elements, -Into a More Favorable, NON Ice Age Conducive!, -Arrangement.

This is certainly Beyond our Means and Capability Now!, -and For a While to Come! I am Not Talking About Doing so Now, or Anytime Forseeable or Soon.

But Someday Before a New Ice Age Need Arises!, When our Space Effort and Other Technological Advances Permits!, -When it is Economically and Otherwise Far More Feasable to Do so!, -We Have Got to Get Out There!, -and Tweak Earth's Orbital Elements a Bit!

Unless we Don't Mind Freezing Thru *Another* 10,000 Year Long Ice Age!!!!!

This will be the First Time, in All Mankind's Long History, -That we're Actually Able to Do Something, -To Avert Another Oncoming Ice Age! Let's Not Be Late at the Plate!

If there also be some Other Contributing Causes to Natural Ice Age Cycles besides only the Astronomical,-Then Lets Come to Discover and Look Into Those Too! And See What we Can Perhaps then Do, About Those as well.

Whatever's Rather Likely Going On with Earth and it's Climate Right Now!, -Lets *Not* Forget!, -that we *Still* Have the Old Ice Age Bugaboo to Deal With!

We're Gonna Someday Have to Concretely Do Something About It! Unless we Want to Again Hunker Down!, for a Long Earth / Neanderthalish Winter!!!

If we've the Foresight and Preparation to Do it!, and In Time!, -This Will Occur in one of our More Distant, Upcoming Tomorrows! Not on the Immeadiate Horizons of Today!

But we Don't Have Time so Comfortably on our Side!, -Relative to Any Current Global Warming as May be Going On!

While Duly Taking Economic and Societal Considerations into our Assesments on How to Deal With it, -We've Got to Also Do What Must be Done! Towards Countering and Neutralizing Warming Tendancies. To the Extent that we actually Can. To the Extent we've had a Hand, in Bringing About the Original Problem.

We Now Sit Around Earth's Campfire!, in the Cold Winter of its Surrounding Space! Someone's Wisely Saying "Whoa!, -Wait a Minute! -Quit Throwing Logs On our Fire! You're Making Our Fire here a Little Too Hot!"

But at One and the Same Time as you Wisely Slow the Pace of that Firefeed, -There's Still the Frigid Winter Spaces!, Surrounding and All Around! *-Don't* Overcorrect Too Much the Other Way! Or we May Face a Weak and Dying Fire!, -Precisely When we Need some Heat!

Lets Take Care of Earth's Warming now!, to Every Extent that we Shud!

But Lets also Remember at the Very Same Time!, -That we may be Faceing a Definite Cooling Period!, -Down the Road!

Of Renewed Ice Ages!

Until or Unless we At Last Fix our Orbit a Bit!, -They Will Always be With Us!!!

Lets Strive to Strike that, -Neither Too Hot Nor Too Cold, of a Balance! An Earth Climatic Balance!

This is Going to be a Matter of Both Earth's, and Mankind's Survival! Beginning with Global Warming Trends, which are Already Beginning to Significantly Bear on our Survival! [color:"black"] [/color] [email]joblot[/email]

Well my problem with the Chinese polluting their own backyard is that eventually that pollution will make its way back to us by wind and sea so yes we will all lose, its just that in the meantime we will put every American worker out of work in the process. I think we need to relax our pollution standards a bit and concentrate on other areas. For example I can't even recycle aluminum cans because in my big city because they don't have a pickup for them except for some of the outer neighbor hoods. There is also no way I would ever think of riding a bike to work, too many people thinking they are doin the world a favor driving little cars and "zoom zooming" in and our of differnet lanes cutting in front of and each other and we have almost no bike lanes anywhere. I think if we need to invest some of our EPA $'s in things like this.

Eugene:

Since you are under the impression that the air coming out of your SUV's tailpipe is cleaner than the air going in, I would imagine you have a flexible hose attached to your exhaust and blowing into the passenger compartment.

Trees and plants will do a heck of a lot more for me during my lifetime than any exhaust from any vehicle.

Yes, I am a tree hugger and proud of it.

Bountyhunter

[FULL RANT ON]

Oh-Nooooo! Mr Bill! Danger will Robinson Danger! Danger! Chicken Little get out your umbrella! Looky There! see that big chunk of the sky sitting on the lawn over there! The Sky is falling! The magnetic poles are swerving all around! The solar cycle is reaching it's 50,000 Year maximum! The sunspot activity is increasing and the plasma impinging on our Ozone layer has risin dramatically causing untold disaster to that nice protective layer! Several million years ago these giant reptiles stripped all the vegetation off the planet and then were obliterated by a big rock that god or some other force threw at the earth! And it's all our fault. Shame on us humans. We did it! We hunted those poor dinosaurs to death after they were put on the defensive! We are causing the poles to wobble and disentigrate by mining all that magnetic iron ore and driving it all over the place! We are cuasing the sunspot activity by lofting all that extra mettal up into orbit and deploying those nasty solar collecting wings! It's all us. We aren't the puny insignificant slime covering this particular rock - oh no - We are all powerfull HUMANS and we should be ashamed of the damage we have wrought! It's all our fault and now the sky is falling and we're all doomed! Run for the hills! stop driving your SUV and walk! Go Vegan so the poor animals will not have to be killed!



BAH! Phooey!

[FULL RANT OFF]

BTW, what has any of this got to do with the charter of this forum? Specifically the issue of being equipped to survive the 72 hours required for rescue from natural or man-made disasters that are normal course of events in daily life for humans adventuring upon the face of this rock?


p.s. If this offends the administrator / owner please let me know and I will accept your censorship

Yes i know that saying is pobably not quite true (depends on if you count carbon minoxide as polution or natural) and i don't have an SUV, I have a truck <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. But my point is everyone wants to point the finger at everyone else when its just as much their fault as well. But MiniMe is correct this whole thread is OT, should have been in the campfire at least.

i just pointed the story out because of the rare event i wasn't aware it was going to upset the balance of the forum

Yes - your right minime, it has nothing much to do with the charter of ths forum, and really belongs in the campfire, but I can also think of quite few other posts that also fit that bill.
No need to rant, why not make your veiws plain to those who control this forum.
Posts which refer to Guns, umbrella's, beef in cans, I feel have no real relevance to me or 72 hour survival.
If you don't like the topic, don't get involved - it will die out eventually.
Keep taking the chill-pills.
Regards
Martin

I would at least Partially Differ, in that Guns, Beef or Other Foods in a Can, and even Umbrellas in the Proper Sense, -Can Be and Often Are!, -Very Relevant to Survival! Our Earth Turning Sour on Us!, and Survival Considerations Thereof!, -Are also Very Co-Relevant! Still, in a Larger Sense I can Still See How a Lot of this would be More Suitable to the Campfire. <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> [color:"black"] [/color] [email]joblot[/email]

I hope I didn't come off too harsh either, I was partly poking fun partly trying to annoy the tree huggers <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Weather is on topic to survival in a way as a major storm could cause the reason we need to use our PSK/whatever. Interesting to note the Network/server/systems monitoring people at the Bank I'm working for watch CNN and the weather channel on big screen TV's. We joke walking by that we wish we had a job where we could watch TV, but weather patterns which could lead to a storm/power outage/whatever could result in a system outage which would be directly related to the bank. I suppose CNN is because a terrorist attack could take out a building affecting the bank or something similar (I knew about the hits on 9/11 a few minutes before the news because of people on mailing lists asking why a bunch of their routers/cell phone equipment quit responding at the top of the WTC)

I Agree with Much of What you say, About how Much of this is Not our Humankind Fault! To the Extent that there Are or May be such Dire, or Upcoming, Earth Problems.

Coupled with How they Bear andor Don't Bear, on our Survival Preps.

Be Those All as They May!

But *If* the Earth is Still Genuinely Warming, at least Partly via X Amount of Substantially Increased CO 2 Levels since the Industrial Age, (This is a Proven Fact), -Then That is Something that is Genuinely Going On, with our Earth. That is also One Thing that Can be at least Largely Traced Back to us Humans. And it Does Have some Definite Survival and Preparedness Implications / Bearings.

This said, Parts of This anyway seem to me to Belong More to the Campfire Forum. But it is Not Entirely without Relevance here on This one.

There is also of course the Matter, of How Much and Where the Sky is Falling or Not, in any Given Earth Area!

Again You Do Raise Many Good Reminder Points. But I Know there *is* Substantially More CO 2 in our Atmosphere, than there Naturally Once was! [color:"black"] [/color] [email]miniMe[/email]

Sheesh! Didn't it use to be that the weather was one of only three topics that British officers were allowed to discuss in the Officers' Mess? (Because everything else was too controversial.)

Anybody know what the other two topics were? I forget - but we may need to fall back on them, the way things are going <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Subjects that are too controversial?
Hmmm...best ask minime before he throws another tantrum - wouldn't want to upset him.

While I did express myself strongly and with a fair bit of sarcasm I also demarked my emotional rant as such. Further I kept my comments in response to the topic without getting personal about those bringing up those topics. I appreciate getting personal comments in the form of a PM. As yet I have recieved some feedback on my post from individuals who felt that I might be a little too passionate about things but I have not gotten any PM or other interaction from the moderators. I don't mind folks stating their opinion strongly or otherwise on any topic and I feel free to do so as well. I do take a certain offense when I become a personal target for someones sarcasm in public. I have avoided that particular offense as much as possible and would appreciate it if I could count on the same courtesy.

At Least a Major Part of the Reason It may be Getting Funny on Us!, -Is Because We in Great Liklihood Have Been Getting Funny on It! [color:"black"] [/color] [email]ScottRezaLogan[/email]

Have to back you up on that one, miniMe. Let's keep things civil and on an objective level, and focused on the reason we all keep coming back to this board.

All I see is about this forum is

Is there another 'charter' ?