Bugout Practice

Posted by: Jeanette_Isabelle

Bugout Practice - 01/10/19 04:45 PM

The weekend trips Mom wants to take are becoming so frequent, almost once a month, that I see all of this as a bugout practice or drill. Earlier I would pack and leave something behind. I did not know I would need something until I needed it. One time I ran out of aspirin and another time I ran out of lip balm. Then on I packed extras of my regular consumed EDC items: lip balm, aspirin, Kleenex Go Pack and Alkaseltzer.

One time last fall I swung to for to the other direction. I packed so many just in case items (none of which I needed) that I forgot critical clothing items.

If these monthly weekend trips continue, I may find the right balance by the time we do need to bugout.

For this weekend trip I currently have the following:
  • EDC Bag (I never leave home without it)
  • Toiletries (I don't need to go into detail)
  • Clothes (casual and dress)
  • Extra Lip Balm
  • Extra Aspirin
  • Extra Kleenex Go Pack
  • Extra Alkaseltzer
  • Rx Medications and Pill Cutter
  • Vitamin B-12
  • Nail Care Items
  • D-Cell MAG-LITE
  • Alcohol Swabs, One Box (I'm questioning the need for these since I have not needed them the past few trips)
  • Bible
Jeanette Isabelle
Posted by: Russ

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/10/19 05:15 PM

If you were to pack the items on that list in a separate pouch or small duffel bag, you’d simplify and reduce time packing for a real bugout. Some of those items may be in daily use, but there’s no reason to not have duplicate items for your trips and bugout preps. $.02
Posted by: Herman30

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/10/19 06:17 PM

Alcohol svabs can be used to clean eating utensils if there is no other washing possibilities. I have used alco gel for this purpous.
Posted by: hikermor

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/11/19 03:25 AM

I routinely carry an alcohol based hand sanitizer to also use in fire starting (usually Purell). I haven't tried them but i'll bet alcohol swabs would be great fire starters..
Posted by: haertig

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/11/19 04:20 AM

You can do tests to see what you actually use. For the sake of common terminology, let's say that everything you take on a trip is in your "container". And inside your "container" you have three "sections" - "section 1" for most used, "section 2" for lessor used, "section 3" for rarely used.

On your first trip, pack everything into "section 1".

When you get back, look at section 1 and move everything that you did not use to section 2. On future trips, you will first take everything from section 3 that was unused and totally remove it from your "container". Next, you would move everything from section 2 that was unused to section 3. Last move everything that was unused from section 1 to section 2. But after only your first trip, none of those lower priority sections would have had anything in them, but they will populate over time.

After you have finished the above described "demoting" of things from 3->junkpile, 2->3 and from 1->2, then you move on to "promoting" things. Anything that you used on your trip, no matter what section it came from, gets moved to section 1.

For things that need to be refilled, washed, or otherwise replaced - substitute a note saying what that item was and put the note into the appropriate section in place of the actual item. Replace the notes with their corresponding items right before your next trip.

If you found you needed something on your trip that you didn't have, when you get home immediately add it to section 1.

You will also have some "never demote from 3->junkpile" items. IMHO, you wouldn't want to remove your first aid kit just because you happened to be accident-free for three trips in a row. But try to keep these "protected items" to a minimum, otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of this exercise.

And there will always be a few "need to add" items. For example, if your last three trips were in the summer, your container would probably not contain the down parka that you need for a February trip!

And you will find that as the start of a trip nears, much of your packing is already done for you, because your container already contains lots of stuff from previous trips, and written notes for stuff that needs to be added.

How you physically implement your "container" and your "sections" is up to you - these might be bags, suitcases, boxes, ... whatever.
Posted by: hikermor

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/11/19 04:05 PM

Just keep a simple checklist, and prepare beforehand as much as possible..With time and multiple tries, you will come up with a good kit.

"Time available for preparation" is a critical factor. The more time available, generally the better job one can do. If you have to move quickly, best to have the essentials preloaded and ready..
Posted by: Montanero

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/11/19 04:29 PM

And hence, the need for practice. The more you prepare and practice, the less time you will need to be more complete.
Posted by: Roarmeister

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/11/19 07:01 PM

There was a video on YouTube published by Sensible Prepper (Sootch00) regarding a "group bug-out practise". He and his family and other like-minded survivalist called for a practise of their preps. It didn't show their actual bug-out location but just how they gathered together. The met at a parking lot, where Sootch00 videoed the contents of what everyone brought. He showed his equipment first, all organized into a series of backpacks and totes. The others were definitely not well thought out or as organized. Instead it looked like a mish-mash of bags, equipment, clothing, supplies all thrown into the back of whatever bug-out vehicle they had. The owners all opened their supplies up for video showing what they had. A few were semi-organized into backpacks but some just threw "stuff" into cardboard boxes (probably a real life simulation if they had to get out of the house right away).

I was surprised with the amount of bubble-wrapped products and lack of organization. The only way most could carry what they had was with their vehicle. Putting it on your back was simply out of the question with the veritable mountain of "stuff" they had. The bubble-wrap suggests that most of them had not even practised using their equipment and that they just plucked it off the shelf and hope for the best. I would hope that most of the people would have learned from that exercise and repacked their gear! Some were very inexperienced and green when it comes to prepping but heck, are we all beginners at some point?

https://youtu.be/6N75K1SGBiM FYI, His channel is very heavy on firearms.
Posted by: hikermor

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/11/19 09:56 PM

Watched some of the video, but not all. They are loading up a vehicle, so what is wrong with a bit of disorganization? In our actual bugout, I first threw in my day pack, which had ten essentials and a FAK, to start the process, followed by jugs of water, essential papers and records, then my CERT pack, all of which supplemented the larger FAK which resides in the car permanently and a range of other useful items.

If you are toting a backpack, organization and careful selectivity is absolutely critical - you definitely must pay attention to weight and select for anticipated environmental conditions.

If you are loading up a vehicle, these considerations are much less important. you can carry a lot of items which aren't crucial, but that might be handy to have.

I kept a pack designed to function for SAR for several years. it was very similar to what today is termed a Bug Out Bag. It eventually contained the items I would need for at least two days in the field. When we were called, the necessary response ranged from "right now" to tomorrow morning, so the bag had to be ready to deploy instantly in a potentially wide variety of environments - snowy mountains, desert and grasslands, caves, or even swift water, flooding environments,

One gets in the habit of evaluating gear - is there something better (lighter, more versatile) which might do the job? Eventually you develop a rig that suits the purpose quite well.

Now I just keep my day pack ready to go, with a much less extensive FAK, but definitely extra food and water (and TP!). It definitely helps to keep the rest of your stuff reasonably well organized to you can grab important papers and mementos if you have to leave in a hurry. Pretty good chance that someday you just might have to...
Posted by: CJK

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/12/19 12:57 AM

Quick 'temp hijack'.....yes Hikermor the alcohol pads DO make good firestarters. I can routinely start them by just sparks off a butane 'bic' so even if the lighter is out it'll work... so long as the wipes remain wet.

Thanks for letting me hijack for a min.... back to our regularly scheduled program.....
Posted by: TeacherRO

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/12/19 01:22 AM

a checklist can be kept on your phone as well
Posted by: Jeanette_Isabelle

Re: Bugout Practice - 01/14/19 02:51 AM

I'm taking enough weekender trips that I'm getting an idea of what I need and don't need. As I become more and more experienced, I get a better idea of what to add and what to drop.

This trip, for example, I left my pill cutter at home. Since I currently have five pill cutters, Mom suggested I keep a pill cutter in my EDC bag.

That sounds like a plan. What I think would be better is go with Mom's suggestion and one of my own: create an itemized list on my word processor and print it out. It's best to start that now to organize the items in categories. This way I got a month to let my OCD get every item under the right heading.

Under prescription medication, for example, I would list every prescription.

Where we go, when we go, how long will we be gone and what will do when we get there will change some items, such as clothes, but other things should remain the same.

Another change I considered because of this trip, and because I got sick last year, is to add cough drops.

Jeanette Isabelle
Posted by: Jeanette_Isabelle

Re: Bugout Practice - 04/20/19 08:15 PM

Mom and I returned yesterday from a week-long trip. This time I did not forget anything. Nevertheless, there was room for improvement.

Initially, we were to stop at a fast food place on our way there, as we usually do. We made a change mid-trip, have lunch on one of the picnic tables at the visitors' center. After all, Mom packed lunch items for when we reach our destination. Our hotel room has a kitchenette. Therefore, we did not pack paper products or utensils. When we decided to have lunch on a picnic table, we had to improvise. Brochures worked well as place settings and TP is okay for napkins; straws, on the other hand, are not suitable substitutes for even simple tasks such as spreading the mayo.

As we were having lunch I thought it would be good to have a HIPPUS Cutlery Knife.

https://www.swiss-advance.com/product/hippus-cutlery-knife-red/

The problem is, would I use it often enough to justify bringing one on a trip?

It seems like every time we go on a trip, a person gets injured — either one of us or a stranger. Mom and I were already on the tour bus. Another person, an older gentleman, tripped and fell as he was in line to get on the bus. I sprung into action. I grabbed my EDC bag, got off the bus and treated his multiple injuries; the most significant injury was to his head. I used a hand wipe to clean the wound to his head and a couple of other wounds. After I used up the hand wipe, I noticed a smaller scrape. I used another hand wipe to clean that scrape.

After everything was said and done and got the gentleman patched up, I was second guessing what I used for each wound. I should have used a povidone-iodine prep pad on the smaller scrape.

While on the riverboat I got a sunburn, my second in five years. I have silver sulfadiazine which works miracles on sunburn; since getting a sunburn is so rare, I stopped bringing it with me on trips. Do I bring silver sulfadiazine with me for an incident that only happens twice every five years?

Mom and I ran into one problem that all the prepping in the world could not solve. We were arguing about the lid that goes over the toilet seat. Probably since I was toilet trained, I had always put the toilet lid down after I finished. Why, after all these years, would a person suddenly complain about the toilet lid being down?

Jeanette Isabelle
Posted by: hikermor

Re: Bugout Practice - 04/21/19 02:42 AM

Did anyone else assist you with the gentleman and his head injury? Sometimes you get lucky and it turns into a team effort..

My comments are somewhat critical, but I mean them to be ultimately positive and an assist to you and others who might be aced with a similar situation.

Falls have potentially far more serious consequences than mere cuts and scrapes and someone rendering assistance must be on the lookout for neurological problems and signs of potential brain damage, especially when the head is involved. Is the person normally alert and reactive? coherent? Any swelling, pain, or bruising, especially around the neck and backbone? Are pupils equal and reactive? Symptoms may not appear immediately,but appear as swelling, often internal. progresses.

It sounds like his fall was not all that serious (in line to get on a bus), but the elderly may have fragile bones; it often pays to be especially cautious.

Pessimism pays off when proffering first aid. Look beyond the obvious injury; my experience is that often the most potentially damaging injury (say fractured vertebra) is not obvious and is only revealed during a thorough patient survey.

You did render assistance and your aid was positive and helpful; my remarks are intended to help you, and others who might read this, to do an even better job next time.

I am sure others, with even more experience than I, will chime in with helpful comments.
Posted by: dougwalkabout

Re: Bugout Practice - 04/21/19 03:23 AM

When travelling in a new locale, it might be worth researching whether Good Samaritan laws are in place. These offer some legal and liability protection if you offer help in good faith and act reasonably within the bounds of your training.
Posted by: M_a_x

Re: Bugout Practice - 04/21/19 08:35 AM

For food items I would prefer a fixed blade over the Hippus. It is much easier to keep clean. Victorinox offers good knives for that (called tomato knife, breakfast knife). Monbento has a cuttlery set in a small box.

Like the comment of hikermore this meant to be helpful to improve first aid actions. By helping you already did a good job.
In the case of a fall it is adviseable to assess injuries before helping the victim to get up (are they oriented, do they show signs of brain injury, do they feel pain indicating a broken bone). Have the victim sit down for treatment. The reason for the fall is also important. It may indicate a preexisting condition (in that line the smell of polish remover may indicate problems with blood glucose levels).
Some people show allergic reactions to the application of iodine. Using the wipe for the scrape probably was the better decision.
Posted by: Jeanette_Isabelle

Re: Bugout Practice - 04/21/19 10:39 AM

There was an employee also helping the gentleman. She was getting his name and other information to record the incident.

She also asked general knowledge questions to assess his mental state. When she asked who the president is, he gave the wrong answer. To which she replied, "It's not a political question. I need to access your mental state."

He or his wife, I forgot which, asked for an icepack. My EDC FAK is too small to hold an icepack. The bus tour company had a cooler on sight and used a plastic bag to make an ice pack. That was the only first aid item they provided. Didn't they have more?

The gentleman and his wife got on the bus. I sat in the seat in front of them so I could continue treating and observing him. Other than what I mentioned, the bus tour company didn't do anything for the man.

Originally Posted By: hikermor
It sounds like his fall was not all that serious (in line to get on a bus), but the elderly may have fragile bones; it often pays to be especially cautious.

I did not see how he fell.

Jeanette Isabelle
Posted by: hikermor

Re: Bugout Practice - 04/21/19 02:17 PM

If someone can't respond correctly to a question like that, I would examine more intensively
Posted by: Jeanette_Isabelle

Re: Bugout Practice - 04/21/19 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: hikermor
If someone can't respond correctly to a question like that, I would examine more intensively

I don't know if he gave the name of the previous president for political reasons or he was confused. He answered the other questions correctly.

I did not voice it; a question that came to mind was would he have accepted help if I owned a red ball cap?

Jeanette Isabelle