get a cheap laptop

Posted by: CANOEDOGS

get a cheap laptop - 12/16/17 02:52 AM

mine died a week or so ago,the screen went black and stayed that way.
thinking about the hassle of getting another and setting it up and trying to remember the websites and passwords i used was a major problem.now i don't really use a computer for anything but email and entertainment so i can just work along to get back to square one.but if you really needed one if you lived in some sort of danger zone,fire,storm,earthquake and your computer went down then having a cheap replacement all loaded and ready to go then you could be back in action in minutes.
Posted by: gonewiththewind

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/16/17 03:34 AM

Look at WOOT.com, they have some at some low prices that will do what you need.
Posted by: dougwalkabout

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/16/17 04:30 AM

I buy laptops for work stuff, because I have to be compatible with the Microsoft universe, and have plausible deniability security wise (i.e., I exercised due diligence in a way your IT guy will understand and accept as valid).

For everything else, computing hardware and software is free. I kid you not.

First, ask a favour and find an external monitor to plug into. The guts of your laptop may be just fine, even though the display has gone kaput. All your data, passwords, etc. are almost surely intact on the internal hard drive. Any external LCD monitor under 20" is basically free for the taking. You could operate with that for a long, long time.

Second, the hard drive from you old laptop can be plugged into another compatible machine, and you can retrieve all your stuff.

Third, for the truly hardcore, there are free laptops out there everywhere. Just ask around and you will be surprised. Perfectly good hardware and hard drives, but the operating system is some older version of Windows that nobody wants. Wipe the drive with DBAN (Darik's Boot and Nuke), which completely overwrites all the old stuff multiple times. Install a good Linux flavour like Linux Mint (my favourite), which is so close to Windows it's perfectly intuitive, and you are fully operational for free.

Fourth, though Authority doesn't care for it, you can scrounge perfectly good components from recycling bins. Waste is evil, IMO. But you will need to be very discreet, and have a little tech savvy. And wipe that hard drive with DBAN. Do you really want to know what's on there? Yikes.
Posted by: Russ

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/16/17 01:33 PM

I had a similar problem with my old laptop and used a Thermaltake BlacX Duet eSATA USB Dual Hard Drives Docking Station to transfer the files from the old HD to a new laptop. Worked for me, no affiliation.
Posted by: Russ

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/16/17 04:50 PM

I haven’t used DBAN but I have used Eraser to erase individual files and folders. I’ve never needed to wipe a complete disc, but I can see why that might be advantageous. Eraser works inside windows. Once installed, you can right click on an individual file, files or folder (such as the entire My Documents folder) and select erase from the pull-down. The level of Data Sanitization is up to you. I set it up to a simple three pass method (DoD 5220.22), but that can be changed to Gutmann or one of many other protocols, and allows you to erase a file and replace it for “plausible deniability” (whatever that means). I’m not concerned with NSA or the FBI going after my files, so something that is gone from a casual inspection is good enough. A single pass of 0’s, 1’s or pseudorandom 1’s & 0’s would probably be plenty for most needs. More passes takes more time.
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From Heidi Computers:
Eraser is an advanced security tool for Windows that allows you to completely remove sensitive data from your hard drive by overwriting it several times with carefully selected patterns. The patterns used for overwriting are based on Peter Guttmann's paper Secure Deletion of Data from Magnetic and Solid-State Memory and are selected to effectively remove magnetic remnants from the hard drive.

Other methods include the one defined in the National Industrial Security Program Operating Manual of the U.S. Department of Defense, and overwriting with pseudorandom data. You can also define your own overwriting methods.


Were I to wipe a drive, I would use the DoD 5220.22 protocol for individual files that I really wanted gone, and then I’d reformat which as I understand uses a single pass of 0’s (as in “Write Zero”).

As stated, I’m a user, not a developer and it’s free.
Posted by: TeacherRO

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/16/17 08:44 PM

Or a tablet - I use a kindle fire. Cheap, portable back up.
(Also, you know, back up your stuff)
Posted by: chaosmagnet

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/16/17 09:26 PM

Keep in mind that if you are wiping data from an SSD rather than magnetic media, use only tools designed to wipe SSDs. I would suggest physical destruction is the most likely to work the way you would like.
Posted by: CANOEDOGS

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/17/17 01:10 AM

lots of good advice here.i did order a new large monitor because this new laptop seems to have lots of power and i'm watching stuff like nexflix and youtube and want to see it on a larger screen.
Posted by: Eugene

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/19/17 12:03 PM

I always buy refurbished business laptops. Big companies use them for three years then sell them. I pick them up at Microcenter and similar for $200-$250 and run them for 3-6 more years. I wipe the drive and install Linux as soo as I buy one. The 6 year old laptop I have at home with only 4G of ram running Linux is soo much faster than the 1 year old laptop at work with 16G of ram stuck running Windows.
Posted by: Ren

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/19/17 04:50 PM

Talk of microcenter reminding me of these

http://www.microcenter.com/product/439773/tw70ca17_tablet_-_black

Has two usb (micro and full) so can power it and plugin a keyboard if need to type a lot.
Posted by: quick_joey_small

Re: get a cheap laptop - 12/20/17 10:36 AM

In the UK the consumer magazine 'Which?' tested laptops this month.

The Asus Vivobook E203NA is:
"A great budget alternative, relatively slim and light. Screen provides plenty of detail and keyboard is suprisingly pleasant to type on.'
I'ts half the price of every other laptop it reviews at 195 pounds on-line.
'Which?' magazine is available to read at libraries.

qjs
Posted by: TeacherRO

Re: get a cheap laptop - 09/20/18 04:57 PM

I use a kindle as my backup. Cheap light and slow
Posted by: haertig

Re: get a cheap laptop - 09/22/18 07:41 PM

Originally Posted By: CANOEDOGS
... thinking about the hassle of getting another and setting it up and trying to remember the websites and passwords i used was a major problem ...

Hopefully you have learned the wisdom of good backups. You should never have to "remember" any of this stuff.

Many have already mentioned using Linux instead of Windows. I agree with that. However, it's not for everybody. You have to be willing to learn and change.

One cool thing about Linux ... If you have a full backup of your system, you can write that to a new hard disk (e.g., for the case where you old hard disk failed on you - as they all eventually will). You can take this new hard disk that was restored from your backups and shove it into just about any new computer hardware, and it will boot up and run! Maybe not perfectly - you may have to tweak a few things for optimal function (video settings mostly, but sometimes audio or WiFi) - but it will usually run and give you immediate access to all your stuff. Try that with Windows. No way will it happen. Heck, just restoring a backup to a different sized hard disk in the same computer is enough to foil Windows (it can be done, but often times attempts will fail even on this simplest of all simple restores). No way are you going to take a disk out of Windows computer A (original or restored from backup) and plug it into computer B and have it boot up unless you really really knew what you were doing when you set it up and took special steps back then, never after the fact. You can maybe access the disk from a different computer, but not boot from it and go about your merry way as if nothing every failed on you.
Posted by: UTAlumnus

Re: get a cheap laptop - 09/22/18 09:25 PM

This is when I figure it is a good time to do a full re-install of Windows. Don't even try to back up Windows to bootable condition. Back when Millennium was the current version, I would do a full re-install before every semester to avoid any surprises during the semester.
Posted by: dougwalkabout

Re: get a cheap laptop - 09/23/18 02:54 PM

Originally Posted By: haertig
One cool thing about Linux ... If you have a full backup of your system, you can write that to a new hard disk (e.g., for the case where you old hard disk failed on you - as they all eventually will). You can take this new hard disk that was restored from your backups and shove it into just about any new computer hardware, and it will boot up and run!


Agreed -- it works! I'm partial to Linux Mint 32-bit because it will run on any Intel/AMD box (including 64-bit) with hardly a complaint. It even has adequate video/hardware drivers built in, so there's essentially no "tweaking" required when switching machines. Paired with a small, inexpensive SSD hard drive, it's a really flexible solution.

Scrounge alert: Windows 7 support is ending in about 18 months, which means there are going to be a ton of free, perfectly good laptops up for grabs. Linux users rejoice!
Posted by: haertig

Re: get a cheap laptop - 09/23/18 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout
Scrounge alert: Windows 7 support is ending in about 18 months, which means there are going to be a ton of free, perfectly good laptops up for grabs. Linux users rejoice!

Can you give some examples of where you find old free laptops? I rarely use a laptop, pretty much the only time is when on a trip and I want some entertainment in the hotel. And the laptop I have for that is "Windows Vista" era. So quite old. Still works running Linux (LinuxMint 17 - very old, but since I only use it once ever few years, I haven't gotten around to installing anything newer). I can do email, surf the web, establish a VPN and stream movies from my media server back home. It could be a little faster however, so your hints of potential free ones coming available is intriguing.

These days, I've found I tend to skip the laptop on trips, and use a tablet instead. And I take along a Roku that I hook into the hotel TV for movies. I don't stream them this way, because it is problematic to get an isolated Roku to successfully navigate the capture portal that hotels have. But my Roku supports a USB thumbdrive, which I preload with movies from my media server in advance.

None-the-less, a slightly better laptop, if free or dirt cheap, would be welcome!
Posted by: dougwalkabout

Re: get a cheap laptop - 10/16/18 03:35 AM

Originally Posted By: haertig
Can you give some examples of where you find old free laptops?


Since you asked, here's my rambling stream-of-consciousness reply:

The first rule is simple: ask around! Mention it to people in your network, mention it to your IT guy at work, mention it to friends, mention it on CraigsList or Kijiji.

Be direct and up-front: "I am learning how to recycle and repair old laptops. I install a free operating system called Linux. I am not reselling these in any way. When I am done, they will be provided to people who need them or properly recycled."

If people are worried about privacy (and they should be!) offer to remove the hard drive on the spot and drill holes in it with a cordless drill.

IT departments often discard flats of laptops when the OS goes obsolete. It's cheaper to buy new than to upgrade them. This certainly happened with Windows XP -- I scored half a dozen IBM ThinkPads (T60s and T61's) with good chargers, moments before they went into the recycling bin. The rougher ones I gave to hobbyists or scrounged for parts. But I still have one of each, and with memory maxed out and solid state hard drives, they scream along perfectly well. They will probably still be ticking along after the next few generations of consumer-grade disposables have conked out. I think they have the best keyboards every made.

Hoard old chargers from your dead laptops. Thrift shops are great sources for laptop chargers too. Dell chargers in particular seem to be everywhere -- corporate leftovers I presume.

Check your area for not-for-profit recycling societies where you can volunteer your time, learn new techniques for refurbishing old laptops, and be rewarded with a refurbed laptop as a reward for your volunteer efforts. This is brilliant.

The other source is rather controversial, and might offend some here: I do not hesitate to discreetly remove discarded laptops from recycling bins. In my mind, these have been discarded in the same way as trash in a dumpster, and I have no ethical qualms whatsoever about reducing our mountain of e-waste by a few pounds.

Recycling centres are making this increasingly difficult, but I have found out it's not because the hardware is worth anything (it's not). It's because of liability concerns. If staff notice it, they are obligated to put the kibosh on it. I respect that, and never put them on the spot.

If I do snag a laptop in this way, a lot of careful cleanup and testing has to be done. Often, I'm more interested in the RAM for other machines, or the wifi card. If I have a compatible power supply, I'll run a low level drive wiper called DBAN from CD/DVD and then a self-running memory test program (MemTest+). This gives me some idea if the device is at all salvageable, even for parts. Safety is key here, as an unknown machine could have electrical hazards, illegal material, or all manner of horrors. It's not advisable for anyone without technical skills and a strong stomach. Since I have a suite of Linux hard drives already, I will often destroy the hard drive and start with the MemTest. A mildly soapy rag, maybe an alcohol wipe, blasting out the crud with compressed air, and a keyboard/display test will hopefully bring it to life. It's often helpful to reset the RAM modules in their sockets for reliability.

I would never give someone a scrounged laptop until I had used it as my "daily surfer" for quite a while -- watching for heating and problems closely. But by connecting all these dots, I have provided clean, functional laptops to quite a few people who need them but are struggling. It's pretty hard to function these days without some sort of access to the Internet.

That's my method. It works for me. Whether it works for others, practically or ethically, I cannot presume to say.

Side note: Opera for Linux now has a free VPN built in -- and it works surprisingly well. I don't know whether I would trust it for banking on an otherwise open, public network, but it's good enough for puttering around in coffee shops.
Posted by: TeacherRO

Re: get a cheap laptop - 10/16/18 05:45 PM

as an alternative a kindle fire is often as low as $29-39 new.
A re-frub chrome book is $100-200
Posted by: ireckon

Re: get a cheap laptop - 10/25/18 02:04 AM

All my stuff is on Dropbox (subscription) and I have local backups. I can get to my files anywhere there is an Internet connection, even if all my computer devices suddenly vanish. I can access my files via cell phone, tablet, or computer. The sensitive files are encrypted and will die when I die.