Question about military SURPLUS stores

I am from outside the U.S. And I have seen several prepping websites and you-tube videos, and many of them refer to "surplus stores". Looking at the variety of packs, stoves, cooking sets and many others, I have to say : I am jealous. However, my question here is more about the nature of such business. And it is mainly about "preparedness" kind of stuff. No knives or firearm related items.

So, anyone here knows how does it work ? I suppose they are all pivately owned. So how do they get their merchandise? Is it new or used ?

Maybe a good idea for a third world guy thinking of starting a small business. So, if you have an insight there (business-wise), it's very much appreciated.

In the years following World War II, there was a huge amount of military surplus sold through small, generally independent, retailers. Some was in good shape, and the careful shopper could find bargains.

Recently, most of the merchandise is rather poor quality. Usable military surplus is rather hard to find (at least that is my perception).

I have scored some great deals over the years. Mil surp bearpaw snowshoes for $7.50 - in great shape and ready for the trails. I still use a US Army Mountain Cookset, 1951, that is lightweight and durable. Paid less than $5 for it sometime around 1960.

If you like to bargain hunt, you will love surplus stores. But caveat emptor! You are likely to find better stuff at your local "goodwill" store these days (IMO)

The military gets rid of their old, used up stuff, through several channels. What normally happens is that troops turn in used gear to a civilian run facility (I believe we used to call it the DRMO, but I may be wrong). If it is deemed unserviceable, then it is put aside. From what I understand, civvies get first crack at buying them. Or simply take them home. They will then resell it to surplus stores. Thats one way it makes it into the stores.
The other way is simply troops selling their gear back to them, or to other people, who eventually sell it to a surplus store. I have sold a few items, having them written off as "losses", as I could make more money selling it than it cost me to replace it through the military.
One other way is that the US has large inventories of gear that will never be issued. Sleeping bags, uniforms, mess kits, old web gear-it takes up space. They sell it to a contractor, who in turn sells it off to whoever.
I agree with Hikermor-beware of what you but. Some of this stuff is 50+ years old. Old sleeping bags may be in poor shape; old metal frame rucksacks may have broken frames (I snapped 4 in my career alone), and the older cotton gear may be rotten. Its best to have the item in hand, and physically inspect it, before purchasing something. Not to say that there arent great deals-I recently bought a wool blanket, issue, brand new, for $20 I think. Never used. Deals ARE out there-you just gotta go with a good dealer.

From what I've seen lately, you gotta ask, "Who's military?" Some of it only appears as military. An AR-15 also looks military, but despite it's mean looks, under the skin only a semi-auto rifle. I stay away from Mil Surplus.

Around us the PX or surplus stores usually get their stock from returning or discharged soldiers. Ammo cans and older style gear is probably sold off by the military in bulk.

About 99% is used, sometimes you'll find some pristine stuff from a desk jockey who never went into the field with his gear. Very rarely you'll come across an unused field jacket, rain gear or boots.

If you want a good deal on Military Surplus... only in the united states, I believe, I may be wrong. But IMS Plus has some of the Best military surplus gear around that I have seen. They only have one store in Edwardsville, IL, but they need more!! No affiliation, just happy with their service.

IMS Plus ships to the following countries listed below!
U.S. Armed Forces APO/FPO - AA, AE & AP (all locations - please use U.S. as shipping country)
American Samoa (please use U.S. as shipping country)
Aruba
Australia
Austria
Bahamas
Bahrain
Barbados
Belgium
Bermuda
Bulgaria
Canada
China
Croatia (Hrvatska)
Czech Republic
Denmark
Egypt
Federated States of Micronesia (please use U.S. as shipping country)
Fiji
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Greenland
Guam (please use U.S. as shipping country)
Hong Kong
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Korea, Republic of
Kuwait
Liechtenstein
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Marshall Islands (please use U.S. as shipping country)
Monaco
Netherlands
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Northern Mariana Islands (please use U.S. as shipping country)
Norway
Palau (please use U.S. as shipping country)
Poland
Portugal
Puerto Rico (please use U.S. as shipping country)
Saudi Arabia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Turkey
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States (Including Alaska & Hawaii)
Virgin Islands (please use U.S. as shipping country

Let me understand this because I am not a U.S. citizen and do not know much about American law. One poster said the soldiers SOLD their gear. Is this LAWFUL in the U.S. ? I mean all this surplus trading is legitimate and causes no legal problems ?

I appreciate the insights about the mil surplus, I thought they were mixed : new and used. Marketing the used clothes or boots will be a mission impossible around here. Used American cars were popular a few years back, but clothes will be another story. Even used cookware maybe a problem to market because of local dietary beliefs and traditions.

I tried to visit IMS plus website and received a message that my IP has been blocked by whatever.... ( although my country is in the list ).

Too bad. But anyway I guess it's better to have a closer look at well known sources of outdoor stuff like Cabellas . From our local forums, I can see many happy customers there.

As other posters have mentioned, "military surplus" is a complex business.

One of the sources of mil surplus is Defense Reutilization and marketing services

http://www.drms.dla.mil/sales/

This is a great place to start looking for items interesting, useful and strange, and you simply bid on it and if you win, you sell it, keep it, whatever.

Another official source is http://www.govliquidation.com/

The selection of stuff is HUGE.

Oh, and there are incredible deals too:

http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=3345742&convertTo=USD

Martin--that link was nutz!!--when i got to "animals not raised for food" i had to give it up...

Not on the buyers end, provided the equipment isnt illegal to possess (rifles, machine guns, sensitive equipment such as scopes, laser rangefinders, etc). From a soldier's point of view, again, speaking from experience, you can sometimes sell gear for more than it cost you to write it off-it largely depends on the equipment, and the shape it is in. There arent any legal ramifications for someone purchasing it, barring the exceptions I stated above.
Soldiers, especially good ones, are resourceful. We usually trade with other militaries for gear when we deploy, and often come up short when it comes time to turn it in. But, I couldnt purchase a british Goretex jacket for less than a few hundred $$$-but I can trade mine, and be charged $67 for my loss. Seems like a win-win to me!

ummmm. Still sounds confusing to me.

OK. You join the American Army , and they issue you a Alice pack , a canteen, and a knife . Let's stop at thease three items . A year later you leave the military . Do you take the stuff with you ?? Are they considered YOURS legally ?

I thought that when you leave the military you have to return what they gave you unless it was totally damaged in battle. If you haven't gone to any war, then the knife, canteen and pack should be returned in a reasoably good shape.

That is what I thought anyway !!

OTOH, I have seen something close to what you are saying : like safety items issued to us in our work ( safety shoes ..etc. ) They are OURS to keep even if we leave the job, but is the military the same ??

when i was in 67-69,you had to buy anything beyond your basic clothing issue so it was yours to keep.when i went to turn in my field gear in Korea the guy at the depot told me to go away,we don't want that stuff.i guess they did not want the work of dealing with it so i bagged it up and took it home-ETS..

There are several ways guys end up with extra field gear.

1. Anyone who uses the stuff regularly acquires two sets eventually. The field set and the inspection set. You don't buy it all at once, but slowly. The Clothing Sales store on Army posts sells some of the stuff, the rest you get at surplus stores off post or thru the mail/internet.

2. Joe goes AWOL. It is the rare case that all of Joe's stuff is turned in. He's gone, he's created a fair amount of paperwork plus PITA stuff for his buddies. So quite often, more often than not, people go shopping in his wall locker. If he didn't take it with, consider it gone. The cost of the items comes out of his paycheck, but poop on him, he's gone.

3. Paperwork snafus with supply. You are issued a widget. When you go to turn it in, the supply people say you were not issued one, no need to turn it in. Happens now and then.

4. You find lost stuff in the field. Amazing what people lose. Helmets, entire rucks, web gear, shovels, literally about anything has been found - except weapons. Lose a weapon, you and all your buddies stay in the weeds til you find it.

I still have a fair amount of stuff, most gotten legally, some found. Other stuff fell off the books I guess.

Generally, if you were issued an item, other than clothing in basic training, at some point you have to give it back.

Don't Forget the Cosmo!Anything Surplus normally has came into contact with it,in one form or another,lol!Make sure you wash anything Surplus,Real Well!For those that don't know,Cosmo is short for Cosmoline,A metal preservative used by Many Nations Military.It seems to find it's way onto anything/everything! That smell is distinctive enough to stay with you for, The rest of Your Life,lol!