Bear and Les

It sure would be interesting to see Bear Grills or Les Strouds have a show where they had there EDC and a PSK and PFK Then go for 5 to 7 days

i would like to see them evaluate all the store bought personal survival kits on the market...yes, that would be a show worth watching..vince g. 11b inf.

I'd include Ray Mears into the mix

I second the ray mears inclusion. Besides, he's a lot more enjoyable to listen to.

Let's include Doug since he's pretty well reviewed most all of it already. Plus, Doug needs some TV time!

That could be interesting. I always wanted to see Steven Segal (before he blimped out) and Chuck Norris go at it for real..

I always wondered how good those guys really were too, and how much was just great choreography? I know they both study, and are pretty accomplished, but...

They have both, from what I have heard, won lotsa trophies too, but I don't think either have ever gone "full contact"...

I 'chatted' with Mr Seagull concerning the drink he offered my then Girlfriend as we dined in Malibu. Something about my classic loose stance of Judo and swearing in irish changed his mind. A few months later a few toughs bullied him out of another eatery after insulting his family. Now Frank Sinatra, who I met at a Westwood Bar midweek and gave my pack of Camels when he forgot his? If you insulted his family he'd be in your face. It's called street survival. It would be fun to watch all the names get together. But to make it doubly fun lets scrounge up some Alaska homesteaders, homeless people and that guy who hosts SURVIVOR.

The guy who could hold his own of that generation was Benny Urquidez, the real deal.

Bear and Les have different lessons and their shows are helpful as long as you know the message they are sending. If you look at it and do what they do in some cases it is a bad thing.

-Todd

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I always wondered how good those guys really were too, and how much was just great choreography? I know they both study, and are pretty accomplished, but... [/quote]

My vote goes to Bruce Lee. I think he could have taken all comers in a street fight survival battle.

I believe it was Les Stroud that said if he took survival Gear it wouldn't be "surviving" it would just be "camping" to him. I understand this mindset, where is the challenge? These guys want to be tested, and that brings a level of excitement to the show.

I have always thought that a short 5-7 min segment at the end of these shows (after they get back), with a "gear corner" theme would be neet. Having them tell us what they would have liked to have had out there with them, and the practical use of the items. I think that would go a long way to getting people to think about preparedness "before" they venture out.

Mark

Bears at it again, This time he's trying to be like Doug (By recommending gear)and endorsing it too. What a nut.

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You know what would be a fun show to me:

Drop Les, Bear, Ray & Doug off at the four compass points on a large deserted island with helicopter extraction scheduled for a week later at the center of the island.

The premise of the show would be the helicopter has only room for one and the contest is to see who will end up being evacuated. I think if Bear behaves like he does in his show in real life, he will Darwin himself out of the competition leaving it a three man race.

That would be a real survival show. Oh and they have to film themselves, which might give Les the edge.

That would be interesting to see, I can see Bear teaming up with Britney Spears for a signature clothing collection

Or, the winner gets dropped off on an island with Britney (or should that be the looser).

I'd have to give the edge to Ray Mears. He'd be waiting and relaxing in a little shelter and drinking a proper English tea at the extraction point when the helicopter showed up.

An often overlooked skill for survival is conservation of energy, Ray makes that an art. Someone once told me that Ray is sometimes affectionately called "Fatty Mears" because you could drop him in a desert and a week later he'd walk out a couple pounds heavier.

I like Les because he sometimes seems to be learning whether something will work or not at the same time as the viewer. Who else would waste a couple of hours trying to make a sling shot from the elastic waistband of his underwear?

And what can you say about Bear? Someday Darwin will catch up to him. The helicopter he rides out in just might be the medivac.

Not sure where Doug comes in. Kind of an unknown darkhorse. He might just slip past Ray while Ray is engaging the pilot in some polite conversation and offering a spot of earl grey.

Bruce Lee, eh? I dunno, I might have to go with Kareem Abdul Jabaar instead. I also recall a fight scene between Bruce and Chucky where Bruce won the day. So much for theatrics. In a real fight I'd go with the likes of Gunny Hathcock.

As for who wins the survival challenge, no one is going to beat Doug on sheer knowledge and practical experience. Les is sort of a naturalist survivor, which is fairly practical, but not nearly as up on the technology. Bear is just an extremist show off near as I can tell, with slightly more than a basic understanding of survival, but with a gut full of moxie, which does count for something. As for Ray, well, he might give Doug a run for the money, maybe, but I would still put my hard earned ones and fives on "The Ritter Factor". I think Doug still has more practical experience and is more technically apt than Ray, and would be able to find solutions to problems a little quicker. Doug's recognition of need and application is probably the best in the business right now, and the diversity of his background is more rounded/complete. There are others out there as well who would likely get by just fine I am sure.

It would be entertaining though, to see such some direct competition someday.

And possibly full of tapeworms and amoeba cysts too...

I don't know much about Doug's experience, but I'm humbly guessing that you can't really compare him with Ray Mears. I'm not totally sure but Doug seems to be more like a pilot specialized in "emergency survival" as opposed to bushcraft like Mears.

Frankie

I don't think Ray Mears would really see it as a survival challenge. I think he prefers the wilderness rather than any notion of 'escaping' back to civilization. I suspect that is the main difference between 'bushcrafters' and 'ETsurvivors' even though they carry the same kit. Happiness I suspect for Ray is sitting under a rock in the rain beside his fire on the west coast of Scotland eating his recently collected shellfish.

+1 on the smackdown of Seagull.

I've rolled and thrown with a few good judoka, and as long as they practice enough newaza (ground-fighting) they are legit in a scrap.

As Rickson Gracie (he's a GREAT grappler, decent mixed martial artist) said in my presence when asked about aikido (S. Seagull's art):"It's....nice." He wasn't being complimentary.

Sounds great to me.

I`d vote for Les. There are good basic ideas with Bear, he just constantly take too many unnessecary stupid chances.

Someone like Ray Mears though, is at a completely different level. It wouldn`t be a matter of survival to him. It would just be a question of comfort. That man has practiced his skills, that`s for sure

lol

I think I`ll get most of my gear somewhere else.

In the picture of the survival tin, he shows a folding knife, but in the list it is not mentioned.

Funny there is no referance to Bear Gyllis in the ABOUT US. So I think they are just alluding to an affilation. with THE Bear.

One week is to short, as it is just a last out a few day. Make it a year.
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You know, I noticed the same thing on a rerun of Bear's Iceland episode - Vroomans was listed as survival expert.

I am speculating that since these shows are geared toward survival in different situations without any equpment to speak of, someone on the staff has the ongoing job of researching local plants, animals and hazards, and communicating that information to the presenter/actor/star. I would think that it would be nearly impossible to be equally expert on each and every area of the world. I mean, I can knock around here in the Northeast somewhat adequately, but in your neck of the woods I would not immediately know many of the useful plants, for example.

And if I were in Iceland it would never occur to me to risk hypothermia by jumping into a glacial creek because I could see steam from a geothermal spring on the horizon and assume I could get there and get warm before I passed out and died. I'm just too uneducated and provincial, I guess.


Frank2135

Bear has a different, local survival expert listed at the end of each episode. I've tried Googling them to see if they have their own websites, and most don't.

Bear's expert for the Everglades is a fairly well known author (don't recall his name right now) of local nature books, and is even featured on the board of tourism site.

The African expert has his own safari outfit, etc.

I find myself more interested in the credits than I am in the show itself!

Les on some of his show has even given a cameo to the local surviaval expert, a blurb here and a blurb there. I do not think Les leads you to believe that he is a global expert.
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