Strobe Light for Survival Kit

Posted by: Anonymous

Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/01/04 06:56 PM

I was discussing local crashes with some pilots in my area (Vancouver, BC) the other day. It turns out one downed pilot was found last month only because he used the flash on his camera to alert an RCAF SAR Buffalo aircraft which was directly overhead but could not see him. This happened at the tailing edge of dusk. It was the last search run SAR was doing for the evening when they caught the flash of his camera through the trees. In my area, it is not uncommon for aircraft to totally disappear when they crash into the trees on a mountain side.

I always carry multiple signal mirrors, but they are not very effective through a canopy of trees, especially late in the day on the shadow side of a mountain. This incident has got me thinking that I need to add a strobe to my survival kit. Does anybody have any experience in this area or have any suggestions?
Posted by: aardwolfe

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/01/04 09:08 PM

Some aircraft have powerful strobe lights installed that would, if undamaged, be much more effective.

I think that a handheld camera flash would be a pretty weak signal, but I would certainly use it if I had it. A detachable flash from an SLR type camera would be best, as it will keep going until the battery runs out. By comparison, the flash from a disposable camera would be much weaker, and could only be used up to 24 times (until you ran out of film). It might be worth buying a disposable flash camera and chopping it apart to see if there's a way to get the flash to fire after the film's been used up, though.

I wouldn't bother carrying a powerful strobe for emergency purposes myself; I suspect a PLB would be cheaper and lighter.

If you do have a camera-mounted flash gun, check the manual (if you can find it) and figure out how to get the most powerful flash out of it. If you just mount it on the camera and take a picture, for example, it may read the ambient light and reduce the flash output accordingly. With my Nikon flash, I would set it to manual and set the film speed to the lowest possible setting (although I don't know whether this would make any difference); then I would press the "test" button. (Note that even weak batteries - up to a point 0 will produce the same brilliance of output; it just will take longer for the flash to recycle in between.)

The only way you'd know for sure, I suspect, is to grab a partner and go out after dark and test it, to see how far away the flash can be seen. If anyone has kids in school, this might make an interesting science fair project.

Another thing I would try, although it likely wouldn't do any good, would be to build a mirrored reflector. Think of a cardboard box; remove the top, front, and one side and what are you left with? The back, bottom and the other side, each meeting the other two at a 90 degree angle. If you arrange 3 mirrors in this fashion, then a light shone at them will be reflected back toward the source, regardless of the direction (as long as the light is actually hitting all three mirrors). Yachts often have similar devices mounted as radar reflectors on the top of the mast, I understand; it's the same principle as the reflector on a bicycle. I was told when I was in the military that the French Resistance used these to signal a landing area for Allied pilots coming in at night; the pilot would hold a torch (flashlight) in his teeth and would be able to see its reflection on the ground. (Each Resistance member carried a single mirror, which - in theory - wouldn't raise suspicion if he were stopped and questioned. In practice, I think the Germans would have been very curious <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> ) I suppose it's possible that a pilot flying towards such a contraption at night might be able to see his own lights reflected from the ground. It might be a way to test the visibility of your flash gun; e.g. if you can see the reflection of the flash from 1/4 mile away, then I suppose you can reasonably conclude that the flash is visible from twice that distance (as the light has travelled 1/4 mile in one direction and another 1/4 mile in the other).

I might try other things; for example, string up a mylar Space Blanket and try bouncing the flash off that to see if that's more visible at a distance than the flash by itself.

I think this was a case of somebody making use of whatever was available and getting lucky.
Posted by: MartinFocazio

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/02/04 01:50 AM

I carry this:
http://www.princetontec.com/dive_aquastrobe.html
When we go out on the delaware or into other marine rescue situations, this thing is attached to my PFD and turned on at dusk.
Posted by: forester

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 04:16 AM

I recently bought a Pelican Mini Flasher (I think for around $12). Though I haven't tried it out in the woods yet I was looking for something to tie onto my fireline web gear for working night shift on wildfires. Especially when working around equipment, it's nice to be seen. I imagine a Photon 3 might be just as visible.

Terry
Posted by: NealO

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 05:03 AM

Quote:
It might be worth buying a disposable flash camera and chopping it apart to see if there's a way to get the flash to fire


The disposable cameras w/flash are a neat bit of technology. However, opening one up is not for the faint of heart - pun intended. They contain a small electronic voltage booster and a high voltage capacitor (read: caZAPitor) which discharges to power the strobe. The capacitor typically stores energy at 400-500 volts. It will spot weld flesh (fingers of experience) and potentially worse.

/Neal
Posted by: williamlatham

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 12:32 PM

Another issue to consider when playing with flash tubes is that they produce an extremely large amount of UV radiation (light) when the flash tube is removed from the flash housing. The flash window absorbs the UV. Do not look into the flash without this housing.
Posted by: Polak187

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 02:24 PM

Pelican mini flasher is barely visible at 100 yards in the open. My dog has one when we go to the park at night. Yeah even my dog has a flashlight. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: Polak187

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 02:27 PM

Look at this thread:

link

We basically talked about different strobes and what they got to offer.
Posted by: aardwolfe

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 03:45 PM

Good point, and thanks for the warning.

I wasn't thinking so much of fiddling with the flash itself, but with the wiring leading to it, to see if there was a way to bypass the shutter release mechanism in order to trigger the flash. But on sober reflection (not that I was drunk when I made the previous post <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ) I probably wouldn't have the tools to do this in a survival situation anyway.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 04:00 PM

Doesn't have the tools, eh? Well, if EDC doesn't do it, what about a rock? Takes out the film when you smash the casing, but with a little finesse...

Not that I am promoting brute force when dealing with a potential life saving McGyverism.

Rena
Posted by: aardwolfe

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 04:14 PM

Okay, to summarise what was found on that thread:

Princeton Tec Aqua Strobe - 3 Mile (4.8 Km) Visibility
Apeks Torches - Apeks STROBE - 3.4 Km (2 Mile) Visibility
Inova 24/7 - Up to 2 Mile (3.2 Km) Visibility
ACR MS2000(M) - Peak Luminosity 250,000 Lumens
Visibility: Military tested at a distance of 6 miles (9.6km) on a clear dark night

Anyone have any ideas on how this compares to, say, a Nikon SB-600 Speedlight?

If you don't need the omnidirectional aspect of the strobe, I imagine you could get better (directional) results by holding it next to a signal mirror or a piece of space blanket/mylar reflector. (You could switch the strobe from one side to the other every couple of minutes, or even turn slowly in a circle, to get full coverage.) Of course, a camera flash is pretty unidirectional to begin with <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: Polak187

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 04:37 PM

Well Nikon strobe would be visible up to 2-3 miles but the question is how you are going to do on battery life? I know that some of the survival strobes will run 12 hours constantly on the set of batteries how your nikon strobe is going to do? I shot weddings with my SB28 strobe and got about 2 - 3 weddings out of 4 aa. Thats about 300 pics per wedding which totals on 900 flashes using lithiums. Aqua tech strobe 70 flashes per minute; 1 AA Alkaline ; 8hr burn time. SO doing the math you got about 33000 flashes. You can pass out and strobe will still be functioning, you can pay attention to the surroundings and strobe will be going off on its own.

Yes if you have no choice photo strobe will do the job but regular survival strobe will be much better, cheaper and more efficient.
Posted by: aardwolfe

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 06:35 PM

I wouldn't expect a camera flashgun to be better than a dedicated survival strobe, of course. But in a backpacking situation where you have to think carefully about how much gear you're going to carry, I might choose to leave a survival strobe off my list, whereas I might well take a camera along.
Posted by: Polak187

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/03/04 08:33 PM

This is the reason I like Inova 24/7 so much because it is light weight and can double up as a flashlight, tent light, reading light, night vison light, emergency light and strobe.


Posted by: frenchy

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/04/04 12:21 AM

O.K., you have sold me.
Where do I sign to get one (or more) ? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/04/04 03:09 AM

Thanks for the input everyone. I think I'm going to order the ACR Firefly 2. It satisfies my need for light weight and small size, but does not compromise on light output. I will also equip all lifejackets with the smaller ACR C-Light. While I'd love to be able to put high output strobes on each lifejacket, cost is an issue...flying is so rediculously expensive it burns up far too much money allready <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/04/04 03:26 PM

Found an interesting article on colors used for signaling and other applications.

Flashlight Filters

My interest in this is a filter for a flashlight used in a smoke-filled environment such as escape during a fire. I wanted to confirm that amber was the way to go.

~Sarah
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/04/04 06:28 PM

While I agree fully that flying *is* ridiculously expensive, I'd recommend that you not shy away from high priced items...especially ones that are designed to save your life!

I'd like to give a recommendation as well...any "Doublefly" version of ACR strobes.

Why the Doublefly?

Say you're sighted by SAR, and now they've got a chopper hovering over your position. A strobe can be a bit annoying for the pilot that has to contend with whatever factors occupy their mind at that precise moment...trees, lines, whatever. In reduced visibility, a flash, or reflection of the flash, every 5 seconds, could possibly become a hazard in itself.

That's where the Doublefly comes in. You now have a constant, lower intensity light for SAR crews to pinpoint you without the light becoming a distraction.

I've also taken Matt's excellent advice a while back and picked up an Inova 24/7. It also allows you to switch between the strobe and a low intensity constant light, and also gives you a handy red mode for when you want to save your night vision. I wouldn't replace a dedicated strobe with it, though, but it makes a great backup & utility light.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Strobe Light for Survival Kit - 08/04/04 10:56 PM

The problem with flying is it's about as much fun as a human being can have (legal or illegal) and that makes it highly addictive.

I agree about not going cheap on life saving equipment. I fly a lot over Georgia Straight and a lot in the mountains and that's why I chose the ACR products. They are top rated and the Firefly2 is about as good as it gets for an emergency strobe. I also ordered the C-Light for life jackets for the reason you state...it would drive a helo pilot or SAR tech nuts looking into strobe for several minutes. The Firefly, I see more as a device to signal from a distance, or through a canopy of trees in failing light. I will continue to carry signal mirrors however, and would use them if light the was adequate...not to say I wouldn't also use the strobe...heck, I'd use everything I had to get rescued.