No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO!

Posted by: Doug_Ritter

No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/12/23 08:32 PM

https://afloat.ie/safety/mcib/item/60065...ent-mcib-report

How someone would go out on a boat without a knife on your person is beyond me.
Posted by: Phaedrus

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/12/23 10:50 PM

Wow! He's lucky to have survived that one, at least he had someone designated to get help if he was overdue. But pretty careless about safety gear so say the least.
Posted by: Ren

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/13/23 07:24 PM

Even a regular SAK would have been able to get him free.

Reminds me, still haven't seen the 127 Hours movie.
Posted by: Russ

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/19/23 04:40 PM

This is why I'm forever being described as having OCD. First, this "qualified and experienced boat operator" and lobsterman allowed his leg to get tangled in the ropes -- okay, so we need to define "experienced".

One thing to take into account is that this happened in Ireland and they may have the same issue with pointy, sharp tools that the Brits have so the tendency to always carry a sharp is simply not there.. No excuse or rationale for lack of a PLB.
Posted by: dougwalkabout

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/20/23 12:50 AM

It's fair to argue that anyone who makes their living from the sea is pretty damn experienced. And pretty damn tough and capable. Let's not be fooled by a single incident.

And nobody on the water uses the word "rope." Let's not be lubbers in armchairs.

I agree that there were enormous lapses from a safety perspective, including those that were regulated -- but owner-operators who produce primary products operate on very thin margins, and cut corners and do their own work based on their experience. This is what farmers do also, and it mostly works, though not always.

All that said, I can't imagine being solo on the water, working lines under tension, and not having blades at the ready. This was a lapse in judgement, with serious consequences. I don't think the various UK/European restrictions are a significant factor, since a slip joint knife that is useless as a stabbing weapon is generally acceptable.
Posted by: Ren

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/20/23 12:57 PM

Yeah, no reason for him to have a knife.

Quick look at the Irish laws, and seems unclear if they make distinctions between fixed, locking and slip joint knives.

So any knife (unless its banned, like flick or butterfly knives) with a blade less than 8cm you don't need have to have a reason to carry in public.

But as a working fisherman would be good reason enough to be able to carry longer bladed knives.
Posted by: quick_joey_small

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/20/23 01:39 PM

I asked a Garda in Ireland if my SAK was legal. An incredibly dumb move, even by my standards:
"Is this item in my hand, reason enough for you to arrest me?"
What's wrong with that sentence?

Answer; it was. But the legendary Irish easy going attitude meant he told me it was and then did nothing! :-)

qjs
Posted by: dougwalkabout

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/21/23 01:17 AM

Haha, great story QJS!
Posted by: Ren

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/21/23 12:45 PM

Have heard of someone getting their SAK confiscated and charged not because of the blade, but the corkscrew. Turns out the guy was acting like a moron, so cop wanted to cause him hassle.

Eventually the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) dropped the charges, and the SAK was returned I believe.
Posted by: brandtb

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 08/25/23 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Ren
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Turns out the guy was acting like a moron, so cop wanted to cause him hassle.

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Dealing with the police 101: They never think it's as funny as you do.
Posted by: KenK

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 09/28/23 01:27 AM

Does anyone here know what kind of knife and what method of attachment would be preferred for his type of work?

A fixed blade knife might be best for one-handed use, but I could imagine a fixed blade knife accessible to both hands could be very much in the way of work.

A custodian at my place of work had a finger cut off of his right hand while working alone on a weekend, and he simply could not reach his car keys in his right pocket to get to the hospital. He was able to dial 911.
Posted by: Ren

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 09/28/23 02:23 PM

If around rope and water, think the type of knife that'd be best is a canyoneering knife.

CRKT used to make a popular one, the Bearclaw. Hooked and serated blade with finger hole.

https://wildskyguides.com/gear-review-crkt-bearclaw/

Eldrid have something similar.
https://edelrid.com/gb-en/sport/climbing-accessories-shop/rescue-canyoning-knife?variant=194

And mounting it on your chest.
Posted by: chaosmagnet

Re: No Knife - No Plb = Dumb, IMHO! - 09/28/23 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: KenK
Does anyone here know what kind of knife and what method of attachment would be preferred for his type of work?

A fixed blade knife might be best for one-handed use, but I could imagine a fixed blade knife accessible to both hands could be very much in the way of work.


A fixed blade in the center of the chest is my preferred option. An alternate option I use is a fixed blade on one side and a folding knife I can open one-handed on the other.