Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover

Posted by: Doug_Ritter

Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/02/21 02:13 AM

Tramper rescued at 1700m after finding a pocket of cellphone coverage to call for help

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1265627...o-call-for-help

CARRY an effing PLB or SEND!
Posted by: Phaedrus

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/02/21 02:28 AM

Wow! A PLB would have been simpler.
Posted by: Ren

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/02/21 12:45 PM

Had to look up what tramper meant in New Zealand.
Hiker.

Ill equipped day hiker when there is snow and ice on the ground.
Posted by: hikermor

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/02/21 02:11 PM

Ren nailed it. Better to be equipped for conditions and be self sufficient than to rely on any outside assistance, even a PLB.

Adequate equipment would probably cost less, and be more versatile, than a PLB, although knowledge and some skill is require
Posted by: dougwalkabout

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/03/21 04:42 AM

Phew! Many layers here. Advocating a PLB or other device is good; but as a last line of defence, not a first. The first line of defense is not needing rescue. Not always possible; unexpected events happen; but mostly possible.

Day hikers get suckered in very easily (me too). If it's an even mildly remote area, be prepared to spend the night outside. Doubly so if you are operating solo. The mountains are tougher than you are; there is no dishonour in turning back. Young solo hikers that learn a cautious approach tend to become old solo hikers.

Regarding cell phones: a single pocket of VOX usually means passing through many pockets of SMS (text) connectivity. This can be used to advantage, but make sure you include the current time/date with your texts; they may be substantially delayed between the time you send vs. the time the system receives and relays them. Still, the responsible person who has your "flight plan" will know what to do. You did file a "flight plan" with someone before you left, right?
Posted by: Phaedrus

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/03/21 05:49 AM

Yeah, obviously just going out better prepared is the obvious first step. I was watching a video on YT on a channel related to disappearances of hikers & campers (not one of the sensationalized shows like 411); they were discussing a young guy with almost no hiking experience that tried to do a 16 mile mountain loop in late October(!). Been missing for four years now. He left no itinerary, wasn't dressed for cold weather and didn't take much for supplies.
Posted by: Herman30

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/03/21 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Phaedrus
I was watching a video on YT on a channel related to disappearances of hikers & campers.

Could you possibly name that channel?
Posted by: jshannon

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/03/21 02:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=disappearances+of+hikers+%26+campers

Whatever channel is likely listed in this search on youtube. Maybe channels 1) Missing persons mysteries or 2) Heavy casefiles
Posted by: Phaedrus

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/03/21 08:26 PM

It's "Bryan's Mysteries & Adventures on Trail". Not a slick or glitzy channel, just one young guy that seems to do it as a hobby.
Posted by: Ren

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/03/21 09:10 PM

Another similar case.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hiker-...ital/ar-AAP3awL

Relying on phone & reception but spent 4 nights out in the wild, after he allegedly told people he was taking the Canyon Overlook Trail, that's just around a mile long.
Posted by: paulr

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/04/21 04:55 AM

I wish PLB's were a little more flexible, so they could be used for general purpose 2 way comms (like InReach) rather than simply summoning rescue at coordinates XYZ without even indicating what kind of emergency it is. They are also quite expensive. On the other hand, if they were widespread, people would be activating them foolishly all the time.

There seems like no alternative to satellite comms in the open ocean; but on land near some semblance of civilization, I've been wondering whether low speed digital ham radio modes could be used for this purpose. A pocket sized tranceiver with a wire antenna would likely be able to send and receive text messages at very low speed (a few seconds per character) with 100+ miles range. So it would be a matter of organizing protocols and receiver networks for emergency and personal comms with these things.

The transceiver would be something like this: https://hackaday.com/2021/09/25/the-simplest-ft8-transceiver-youll-ever-build/
Posted by: Ren

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/04/21 11:48 AM

Onland you can just increase cell phone coverage.
Posted by: chaosmagnet

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/04/21 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: paulr
I wish PLB's were a little more flexible, so they could be used for general purpose 2 way comms (like InReach) rather than simply summoning rescue at coordinates XYZ without even indicating what kind of emergency it is. They are also quite expensive. On the other hand, if they were widespread, people would be activating them foolishly all the time.


PLBs take advantage of public infrastructure (the COSPAS/SARSAT system, installed as instrument packages on GNSS and weather satellites operated by the USA, Europe, India and Russia). It was a big investment to get it going and the instrument packages would need to be replaced or at least upgraded in place before something like that could work.

As far as I know, all SENDs use Globalstar (a publicly held satellite communications company) or Iridium (also publicly held but at one point at least propped up by the US government). These are dedicated platforms and use newer technology than than the COSPAS/SARSAT program envisioned when it was started in 1979.

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Now you're making me want to build a pocket FT8 transceiver kit to try out.
Posted by: paulr

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/04/21 07:35 PM

That's interesting about the satellites, thanks.

FT8's technology is brilliant but the FT8 protocol itself is crazy imho. If you're not familiar, it's an almost pure contesting mode: every contact is exchange callsigns and signal reports, done. There is NO place for any personal communication, even "hi!", in the template. This is alluded to in the hackaday thread. But there are related modes like JS8call and Olivia that are more flexible. I do think a pocket tranceiver with a pocket antenna is feasible, especially if the other end has a bigger antenna.
Posted by: chaosmagnet

Re: Tramper rescued after finding pocket of cell cover - 10/04/21 11:26 PM

Receiving is a whole different game from transmitting effectively and generally way easier. The following summary is based on needing both.

Small antennas are always a compromise, but less so for higher frequencies (VHF and higher). But those frequencies are very difficult to use beyond line of sight. It can sometimes be done (moonbounce and Sporadic E come to mind) but may not be possible at all with portable antennas and even less so when using very low power.

By contrast a PLB will typically be using 5W of transmit energy to a fairly short antenna (3 feet or longer, I think) using UHF to transmit to satellites within line of sight.

Lower frequencies, such as the various Ham HF bands, can get truly spectacular propagation, especially with digital modes, even at very low power. This uses skywave propagation, but only with a much longer antenna than typically used for mobile VHF and higher frequencies.

Portable antennas for HF can work, but they require long wires. The rule of thumb is that the lower the frequency (meaning the longer the wavelength) the longer your wire needs to be to work well. I have portable long-wire antennas for HF and while they *could* fit in a pocket, most of them do not — thicker wires, wire winders, Baluns, Ununs, traps and so on add to weight and bulk.

Long wire antennas work way better when they’re up off the ground. 10-30 feet should be considered a minimum.

EDITED TO ADD: There are backpack "portable" antennas that work without needing as much in the way of long wire or height off the ground, but they are not pocket portable.

Skywave propagation changes drastically between day and night due to the Sun’s affects on Earth’s ionosphere.

The rule of thumb is that the Ham 20M band is often at least somewhat usable day and night. Higher frequencies often work better during the day and have very poor propagation at night. Lower frequencies often work better at night and have very poor propagation during the day.

My crayons-on-napkin estimate is that an emergency transceiver using a digital protocol somewhere close to the 20M band would work “okay” day and night, but would require significant terrestrial infrastructure to give reliable coverage. Your end-user would have to be able to get a long length of wire up off the ground for this to work at all. If we expect our hypothetical end-user to get the wire ten feet off the ground, we’ll need a lot of listening stations to get good coverage. At thirty feet off the ground we’d need fewer stations.

I like the idea of this a lot — I have a small HF rig designed for backpack portable use — but I think the end-user expertise level may leave this as a solution for hams rather than the general public.