Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC

Posted by: bigmbogo

Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 12:32 PM

Black Bear Kills Rutgers Student During a Hike in New Jersey

This was a shock. A college student was killed, and possibly eaten by a black bear in New Jersey. We have friends that used to live in that area, and they used to tell us the bears were becoming more and more of a problem, losing all fear of humans. In one incident they knew of, a bear had stalked some teenage kids.

We have bears on our camp property, and this makes me think seriously that we should all carry at least pepper spray when we go into the woods. I remember a post here a few years ago by a guy who was treed by a very aggressive black bear and saved himself with pepper spray.

It also confirms my thought that bears near populated areas need hunting pressure in order to re-instill their fear of humans.

David
Posted by: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 01:09 PM

Hmmm, 5 fit young male humans behaving like prey animals running away from the bear was probably the problem here.
Posted by: MartinFocazio

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 03:33 PM

We have bears here. They are often indifferent to humans. I think I need to scare them more.
Posted by: bigmbogo

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
Hmmm, 5 fit young male humans behaving like prey animals running away from the bear was probably the problem here.


You may be correct. But in the case of a tragedy like this, I try to hold off on blaming the victim at least until his body is cold.

David
Posted by: wildman800

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 03:50 PM

4 of them only needed to be faster than the 5th one?????
Posted by: Denis

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 05:10 PM

Granted, the article doesn't provide much information, but, from what is provided, it seems possible the bear was being predatory. While the risk of death with black bear interactions is very low, Dr. Herrero's study of fatal attacks found that the bear was acting as a predator in 88% of the fatalities (Fatal Attacks by American Black Bear on People: 1900–2009).

Talking about this predatory behaviour, the study notes:

"Potentially predatory approaches are typically silent, and may include stalking or other following, followed by a fast rush leading to contact. We know of incidents where a black bear behaved as if it were considering or carrying out a predatory attack and was deterred by people’s aggressive actions such as shouting, or hitting with rocks, fists, or sticks. Once predatory behavior is initiated it may persist for hours unless it is deterred. After 1 person has been killed by a black bear, the bear may attempt or succeed in killing other nearby people, as demonstrated by the 3 incidents in which 2 or 3 people were killed. Such bears appear to be strongly motivated, as if a switch had been thrown."

The study also noted: "... no one who was killed by a black bear had bear spray. Nor was bear spray available for other party members to deter the attacking bear."
Posted by: DesertFox

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 07:40 PM

Local news this morning said he turned and ran. Don't know if the bear was stalking, surprised or just acted out of instinct.

NJ and NY parks agencies are making a concerted effort to educate hikers and campers about the increasing bear population and what to do if you encounter one.
Posted by: bws48

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 08:49 PM

They knew the bear was there and ran.

From the cited story: "They encountered a black bear, which began to follow them, //snip//

The friends told the police they scrambled to get away from the bear, all running in different directions."

I suspect that acting together, they could have scared the bear off by making lots of noise, standing together and throwing things at the bear.

I'm fairly confident that when the bear saw them run and split up, (as a group of deer might) his predatory instincts cut in.
Posted by: Herman30

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 09:43 PM

I have never encountered a bear but I recon it takes a lot of gut to just stand still when you stumblee upon one in the woods. Canīt say for sure that I would have the nerves to not run even though I know I canīt outrun a bear.
Posted by: Russ

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/23/14 10:19 PM

Originally Posted By: bws48
They knew the bear was there and ran.

From the cited story: "They encountered a black bear, which began to follow them, //snip//

The friends told the police they scrambled to get away from the bear, all running in different directions."

I suspect that acting together, they could have scared the bear off by making lots of noise, standing together and throwing things at the bear.

I'm fairly confident that when the bear saw them run and split up, (as a group of deer might) his predatory instincts cut in.

Yep, with canines it's called Prey Drive, it's probably similar with bears. You run, you look much more like something that needs to be chased/run down and possibly killed/eaten (depending on type of carnivore doing the chase). Stand your ground and throw rocks or hit them with pepper spray and you appear much less appealing. FWIW, possibly not much...
Posted by: Jolt

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/24/14 12:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
Hmmm, 5 fit young male humans behaving like prey animals running away from the bear was probably the problem here.


Exactly...on the rare occasion black bears attack, it is generally predatory. As such, running away is exactly the thing you shouldn't do! What's recommended is to stand your ground and make yourself look as big and scary as possible to convince the bear you are not prey. Probably easier said than done, but may have prevented this man's death especially if the group had stayed together instead of scattering like they apparently did.
Posted by: Meadowlark

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/24/14 04:53 PM



There was another death from a bear a week ago in Wyoming, and then another attack occured just a few miles from where I was staying in Dubois. Links: http://www.good4utah.com/story/d/story/u...HNEmKjEgmyYgXvg and http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/22/us-usa-grizzly-wyoming-idUSKCN0HH2R520140922

This is the time of the year bears are really trying to put on weight for the winter, and some have cubs, so situational awareness is a must. Stay in open spaces with a good line of sight and avoid brush or wooded areas. It goes without saying to not have food on your person. Everyone in my group carried bear spray and there were at least two people carrying firearms. Word had it from the locals that bear spray was considered generally more effective, and that firearms were more of a heavy-duty backup.

Bears are amazing animals, but we have to remember that without our smarts, they are much higher on the food chain than we are.


--M
Posted by: BruceZed

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/24/14 09:22 PM

If this Group of 5 had "Stayed Together" this encounter would not have made the news. I have never found a Reliable Encounter with a Group of less than 3 that has had lead to a fatal bear encounter (Either Black or Grizzly), i.e. Travel in a Group of 4 or More and Deaths Caused by a Bears Go to Zero. Even a group of 2 cuts your chances of a deadly encounter down greatly.

Remember that if a group either starts an encounter spread apart or breaks up as in this encounter then the Bear Encounter is 1-on-1.
Posted by: Teslinhiker

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/24/14 10:35 PM

Originally Posted By: BruceZed
If this Group of 5 had "Stayed Together" this encounter would not have made the news. I have never found a Reliable Encounter with a Group of less than 3 that has had lead to a fatal bear encounter (Either Black or Grizzly), i.e. Travel in a Group of 4 or More and Deaths Caused by a Bears Go to Zero. Even a group of 2 cuts your chances of a deadly encounter down greatly.

Remember that if a group either starts an encounter spread apart or breaks up as in this encounter then the Bear Encounter is 1-on-1.



Although this Grizzly Bear attack did not kill anyone, it resulted into 2 serious injuries that could of easily been life ending. It should be noted that this was a group of 7 that was attacked and really does away with the long held believe that a large groups may never be subject to a bear attack.
Posted by: chaosmagnet

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/24/14 11:09 PM

Summarizing:

  • Avoid bear encounters by being situationally aware and making noise so that you give non-predatory bears an opportunity to hear you coming.
  • Stay together.
  • Look big and scary.
  • Don't act like food. Food doesn't stand its ground, yell, talk to the bear, or make very loud noises with boomsticks (always be aware of your target and what is beyond).
  • Deploy pepper spray if circumstances permit and call for same.
  • Deploy firearms if necessary to preserve life.


Is that accurate and complete?
Posted by: AKSAR

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/25/14 12:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Teslinhiker
Originally Posted By: BruceZed
If this Group of 5 had "Stayed Together" this encounter would not have made the news. I have never found a Reliable Encounter with a Group of less than 3 that has had lead to a fatal bear encounter (Either Black or Grizzly), i.e. Travel in a Group of 4 or More and Deaths Caused by a Bears Go to Zero. Even a group of 2 cuts your chances of a deadly encounter down greatly.

Remember that if a group either starts an encounter spread apart or breaks up as in this encounter then the Bear Encounter is 1-on-1.
Although this Grizzly Bear attack did not kill anyone, it resulted into 2 serious injuries that could of easily been life ending. It should be noted that this was a group of 7 that was attacked and really does away with the long held believe that a large groups may never be subject to a bear attack.
Actually, the NOLS bear attack probably doesn't disprove the belief that large groups probably won't be attacked. Bruce Zed's last statement is key.

A detailed analysis by NOLS after the event indicated that the students were walking up a creek, spread out, in single file. The first student had just rounded a rocky outcrop when he first saw the bear. At the time the bear hit the first student, it likely was not aware that there were more behind him. The bear probably initially only saw one student.

See New report details 2011 Alaska grizzly bear attack on outdoors school students (Part 1) , and How could NOLS students have avoided bear attack? (Part 2)
Posted by: DesertFox

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/25/14 02:40 PM

Well said and accurate. That is good advice while hiking.

While camping, the usual precautions regarding food apply. Don't even sleep in the clothing you wear while preparing dinner.
Posted by: gonewiththewind

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/25/14 03:36 PM

Or cook naked! And then bathe, of course.
Posted by: Denis

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/25/14 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Montanero
Or cook naked! And then bathe, of course.

That would work!

I've always heard the advice to not sleep in or with the clothes you wear but I've never practically figured out how to do that. Plus, barring the bathing option, the smell would still be on your skin and hair too wouldn't it?
Posted by: DesertFox

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/25/14 05:12 PM

I think the smell on the clothing has more to do with spills than aroma from the smoke. I could be wrong though.

As far as cooking naked, just don't try this cooking bacon. laugh
Posted by: Arney

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/26/14 05:11 PM

Does anyone have an idea of what proportion of black bear attacks are predatory in nature, like this one appears to be? Versus more reactionary or defensive (e.g. to protect cubs or territory).

Could rabies be a factor in this story?
Posted by: bws48

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/26/14 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Arney

Could rabies be a factor in this story?


From what I read, I doubt it, but it always remains a remote possibility. Bears get rabies.

There have been rabid bear attacks here in Maryland, in Virginia, and (I think) in Pennsylvania. These attacks are very rare. As I understand it, once infected, the rabies kills the bear relatively quickly.

In both the Maryland and Virginia attacks, the only means to stop the bear was to use lethal force, i.e. shotguns. I don't know what happened in the Pennsylvania attack.
Posted by: AKSAR

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/26/14 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Arney
Does anyone have an idea of what proportion of black bear attacks are predatory in nature, like this one appears to be? Versus more reactionary or defensive (e.g. to protect cubs or territory).

Could rabies be a factor in this story?
There is some data that suggests that black bear attacks are more likely to be predatory than brown/grizzly bear attacks.

Brown/griz attacks tend to be most often defensive in nature (from the bears perspective). Because of their great size and strength these bears can do incredible damage in their first attack, but once they perceive you to be no longer a threat, they will retreat. (The important exception to this would be a brown bear defending a food cache, a moose kill for example.) Hence the advice that in a brown bear attack, if all else fails, as a last resort curl up and play dead.

Black bears are in general more timid than brown bears, and more likely to run away without attacking. However, when black bears do attack, there is good evidence that in many of these attacks the black bear is acting as a predator and you are lunch. Hence the advice that if attacked by a black bear, DO NOT PLAY DEAD, but rather fight back with any means available.

This means that if traveling in areas where both black and grizzly bears might be present, one should take the time to learn how to tell them apart.

As has been noted by others, one of the best sources of information on this stuff is Stephen Herrero's book "Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance". Herrero is a professor of Biology and Environmental Science at U of Calgary in Alberta. He is a world recognized expert in bear safety. In my opinion it is a must read for anyone living, working, or playing in bear country.

Herrero says he has found no association of rabies with bear attacks. It could be, but he has not found evidence of it.
Posted by: hikermor

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/26/14 06:20 PM

"Hence the advice that in a brown bear attack, if all else fails, as a last resort curl up and play dead."

This worked for an NPS colleague when stationed and working in Alaska. She was uninjured while a coworker was mauled. This was before bear spray was readily available (1980s)...
Posted by: Denis

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/26/14 07:40 PM

The study I linked to earlier in this thread found the bear to be predetory in 88% of fatal black bear attacks. This studied the 59 incidents resulting in the death of one or more people by a black bear from 1900-2009.

Unfortunately as this only covers fatalities, it doesn't look at encounters where the people survived so you can't see how many total encounters there may have been over that period or how many encounters not relating in fatalities may have been with black bears exhibiting predetory behavior (such cases were ancedotally mentioned in the study, but not enumerated).

That study did add: "However, we note that an analysis of fatal attacks that occurred over a long time period (110 years) may make black bear seem more dangerous than they are, because some people may focus on the total number and ignore the long time period during which the fatal attacks occurred."

In context, that's like one fatal attack every 2 years for all of the US (Alaska & the lower 48) and Canada.
Posted by: Arney

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/27/14 02:17 AM

Thanks for the informative answers to my questions, folks. smile
Posted by: gonewiththewind

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/27/14 03:26 PM

Just because it is being discussed:

California Women Fights off Black Bear
Posted by: BruceZed

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/30/14 04:14 PM

From my Study of Case Studies, the Study cited above, two other American Studies, and a perusal of book; "Most" Black Bear Attacks that lead to Deaths are Bears that go Predatory, while "Most" Grizzly Bear Attacks are Accidental, Mother/Cub Related or involved Bears Protecting a Food Source. That does not means that a Grizzly Bear will not go predatory, it just means that it is less likely. In fact the most interesting difference between the Species is that Black Bear Mother will simply drive away a "Threat to its Cub(s)" while a Grizzly Mother will "Kill the Threat"
Posted by: bws48

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 09/30/14 06:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Montanero
Just because it is being discussed:

California Women Fights off Black Bear


The woman in the video says she does not want the bear euthanized. However, it is my understanding that the putting down of the bear is necessary to test it for rabies (by examination of the brain.)
Posted by: DesertFox

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 10/09/14 06:53 PM

Latest update, with a few more details.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Bea...;cm_cat=Article

I was betting it was rabies, but apparently not.
Posted by: Denis

Re: Man Killed by Black Bear 40 miles from NYC - 10/09/14 09:26 PM

Yep, while rare, black bears will hunt you ... understating and being able to recognize this predatory behaviour is another tool in the toolbox for staying safe in bear country.