Review of different bug repellents

Posted by: Blast

Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 01:38 PM

Effectiveness of different bug repellents

Interesting tidbits:
1. "Natural" repelents such as citronella and oil of lavender are MORE likely to cause allergic reactions and are being phased out by Canadian autorities.

2. Picaridin-based repellents work just about as well as DEET, but they do not repel ticks and actually attract gnats. Bummer.

3. For short-term exposures (less than 2 hours), soy-based and other natural product repellents work as well as DEET and don't need to be washed off upon returning indoors. This is good if your kids are just going outside for a bit after supper or other short-term exposure.

-Blast
Posted by: dweste

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 01:46 PM

My DEET concern is its reputation for eating GoreTex, nylon, etc. unless you are very religious about keeping it away from such things (no spray DEET, wear only natural fibers, and I guess you are not supposed to sweat) and also about washing it off any clothing.

Permethrin is supposed to be a clothes-friendly tick repellant that can be sprayed on clothes and footgear.
Posted by: BobS

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 02:03 PM

Picaridin-based repellents work just about as well as DEET


In my experience, this is wrong, I bought some 2-years ago and found it gave only a few min of protection. DEET is a much better product.
Posted by: Nishnabotna

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 02:30 PM

I have tried lots of different products as I naturally attrack mosquitos and have a more than average reaction to them. Nothing works as good as deet. Too bad it kills you.
Posted by: wildman800

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 02:45 PM

drink more beer and add more cayenne pepper to your diet, the mosquitoes won't like you as much.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 03:27 PM

I've always used DEET based repellants and I've never had a problem with it eating clothes.

I put it on my hands first, then rub it into wherever I need protection...then wash my hands.

I also commonly wear a wool base layer even in summer which helps too I think.
Posted by: ironraven

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 10:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Blast

2. Picaridin-based repellents ... actually attract gnats.


Really?

In my experience, it repels black flies (bigger gnats), while DEET basically puts the dinner bell around my neck for the little monsters. And I'm allergic to them, the anticoagulin or whatever it is they inject is like poison ivy for most other people.

It also has one major advantage- it doesn't eat nylon and other plastics.
Posted by: nursemike

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 10:53 PM

I watched an adirondack black fly do a splashdown in a puddle of deet on my arm, swim to the bottom, and bite me. I think the black flys are more closely related to wolverines than gnats.
Posted by: scottmphoto

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 11:05 PM

When I was young, I was always told that if you eat a lot of garlic in your food that the bugs wouldn't bother you as much. It seems to work because I am rarely bothered by flying insects and I almost never get ticks and never (for as long as I can remember) chiggers either.
I have also heard the same things about onions.


I love both.



Posted by: SolidVFR

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 11:19 PM

Originally Posted By: scottmphoto
When I was young, I was always told that if you eat a lot of garlic in your food that the bugs wouldn't bother you as much. It seems to work because I am rarely bothered by flying insects and I almost never get ticks and never (for as long as I can remember) chiggers either.
I have also heard the same things about onions.


I love both.





Haha that tends to not only repel bugs, but people too. That can be a good thing laugh.
Posted by: RobertRogers

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 11:27 PM

Some of you guys are saying deet does not repel black flies????

You likely were using a bad batch or expired deet because in all my years working in the Great Northwoods of northern NH and Maine deet has always worked very well at repelling insects of every species. They may continue to buzz around, but if they landed and stayed on any part of my body that meant there was no deet on that spot or it had worn off on bushes, or due to sweat, etc.

I know some sprays are pretty weak in percentage of deet and that could be a problem for longer term protection.

If an insect were to become covered in viable deet it would live about 1/10 of a second.
Posted by: LED

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/24/08 11:40 PM

Catnip oil (Nepetalactone) is supposed to be much more effective on mosquitoes than DEET. I wonder why no one's offered it as a commercial repellent yet?
Posted by: BobS

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/25/08 12:30 AM

Originally Posted By: RobertRogers
Some of you guys are saying deet does not repel black flies????

You likely were using a bad batch or expired deet because in all my years working in the Great Northwoods of northern NH and Maine deet has always worked very well at repelling insects of every species. They may continue to buzz around, but if they landed and stayed on any part of my body that meant there was no deet on that spot or it had worn off on bushes, or due to sweat, etc.

I know some sprays are pretty weak in percentage of deet and that could be a problem for longer term protection.

If an insect were to become covered in viable deet it would live about 1/10 of a second.


What I’ve read DEET needs to be 28% or higher to repel flies. Or it will work in lower DEET concentrations if it has R-246 & R-326 in it.
Posted by: Blast

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/25/08 12:50 AM

I think body chemistry plans a bigger role in all this than repellent manufacturers like to let on. DW and I will walk to the mailbox in the even and she'll end up with 6-7 bites and I won't have any. Her record was 17 and I got 1. Citronella fails completely with her and she dislikes the feel of DEET. Her repellent of choice is a thick oak door, a fuzzy comforter, the couch and a good book.

I'd use this article as a guideline for trying new stuff. It told of things I'd never heard of. So see what the experts say about the choices/concentrations and give it a shot to see if it does the same for you.

-Blast
Posted by: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/25/08 03:27 AM

Hi Blast,

Quote:
Citronella fails completely with her and she dislikes the feel of DEET.


You could always try 'Mossy Off'.

http://www.thejetrest.com/MozzyOffTrials.asp

The active ingredient is Myrica Gale (Bog Myrtle)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrica_gale





Posted by: frostbite

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 02:18 AM

I've heard Brewers Yeast works well, consumed, not topical. But it smells from a distance, even while still in the closed container, so I've never tried it. Some of the B vitamins are said to work as well.

Eventually there will be vitamin enhanced, garlic resistant mosquitoes with a taste for onions.

but seriously, on a visit to AK a few years ago I tried orange oil and tangerine oil mixed with apricot kernel oil, a 50/50 mix of apricot to one of the other oils, and got fair results, short of a flame thrower there isn't much to stop an AK mosquito. I'm one of those who doesn't like to wear bug spray, either.

While working in a friends garden in Arkansas I got bite by mosquitoes and the bites itched so much I put neosporin on them immediately, the itch stopped and it eliminated the red bumps around the bite, as well. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to use neosporin that way, but it worked for me.
Posted by: ironraven

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 02:37 AM

Echo the thoughts on body chemistry. Bugs choose targets by scent by and large- if with deet you smell REALLY good, you'll get bit while dripping with the stuff.
Posted by: ironraven

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 02:39 AM

Frostbite, next time, try just plain vaseline. I know oxidation plays a part in the itching, so maybe it just a matter of becoming air tight.

That sound like SUCH a good idea. Full body shell of vaseline + sparks.... Yeah, bad :P
Posted by: bmisf

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 06:09 AM

I've had really good luck with Repel Lemon Eucalyptus:

http://www.repel.com/ProductCategories/Insectrepellents/LemonEucalyptus/

FWIW, they say:

"Oil of lemon eucalyptus, in addition to DEET and Picaridin, has been recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for effective protection against mosquitoes that may carry the West Nile virus."

It doesn't last as long as DEET but I find it quite effective and it doesn't have all of the negatives of DEET.
Posted by: OldBaldGuy

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 01:58 PM

Welcome Newguy!

Lots of garlic (and maybe onions too). How is your love life? smile smile smile
Posted by: OldBaldGuy

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 02:02 PM

Blast...DO NOT try the catnip oil thing...
Posted by: OldBaldGuy

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 02:06 PM

"...Full body shell of vaseline..."

Reminds me of Burt Reynolds in Striptease...
Posted by: Glock-A-Roo

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 04:47 PM

An application technique I use is to spray a DEET product on the back of my hands then wipe/rub the back of my hands on face/neck/etc. Keeps the DEET off the fingers & palmar surfaces when I can't get to a sink to wash up.
Posted by: LED

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/26/08 10:15 PM

Originally Posted By: bmisf
I've had really good luck with Repel Lemon Eucalyptus:


Me too. Very effective and it won't eat up your gear.
Posted by: Nishnabotna

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/27/08 03:25 PM

Repel is decent, but again, not as effective as deet. It depends on what kind of environment you're going to.
Park outing: Repel is usually good (enough).
Swamp: Deet.
Posted by: JCWohlschlag

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/27/08 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Blast
Citronella fails completely with her and she dislikes the feel of DEET.

Hey, Blast. Has she tried the newer cornstarch-based stuff from OFF!? Their FamilyCare Smooth & Dry stuff definitely feels better once applied than normal insect repellent, and still contains 15% DEET so it is relatively effective. I don’t have extensive experience with it, as I only used it once when I had to borrow some from a friend on an outdoors trip, but it seemed to work well on that occasion.
Posted by: Blast

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/27/08 08:31 PM

JCWohlschlag,

Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out.

-Blast
Posted by: BobS

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/27/08 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: JCWohlschlag
Originally Posted By: Blast
Citronella fails completely with her and she dislikes the feel of DEET.

Hey, Blast. Has she tried the newer cornstarch-based stuff from OFF!? Their FamilyCare Smooth & Dry stuff definitely feels better once applied than normal insect repellent, and still contains 15% DEET so it is relatively effective. I don’t have extensive experience with it, as I only used it once when I had to borrow some from a friend on an outdoors trip, but it seemed to work well on that occasion.



I have a few cans of this stuff, I bought them at Wal-Mart last year for $2.25 a can. I use it in the back yard and also leave it about when camping in a group. People always seem to forget that when you go camping you are going to encounter bugs. They ask to borrow your bug juice. I don’t loan out the $5.00 a can stuff I use, I let them use the $2.00 a can stuff.

It works in the back yard, can’t say how well it works in a bug-rich environment as I use other things that I feel do a better job.
Posted by: OldBaldGuy

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/28/08 01:46 AM

I hate any liquid bug juice (but still use it sometimes), so please let us know how it works...
Posted by: Jeff

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/28/08 12:02 PM

Northern Michigan gets hit hard by bugs and this stuff is great.
It smells great.
It lasts for many hours.
I have used it for years.

My wife is very sensitive to mosquito bites and ends up scratching them until they bleed when she is bit.
This product does the trick.

You can buy it at any Walgreens and other stores.

Your search is over. Test it in your part of the country and let me know.

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Posted by: Spiritwalker

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/29/08 01:40 PM

Drink as much apple cider vinegar as you can stand mixed in a large glass of water every morning, mosquitoes and other bugs will leave you alone.
Posted by: bws48

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/29/08 02:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeff
. . .wife is very sensitive to mosquito bites and ends up scratching them until they bleed when she is bit.


Not a repellent, but a home remedy to stop the itching from mosquito bites, recommended to me by an old pharmacist back in the 60's: take cloudy ammonia, mix 50/50 with plain water, apply to bite with cotton ball or tissue until the itching stops. Do not use on broken/bleeding skin. Usually will stop itching for several hours. Reapply as necessary. Always and still works for me. YMMV.
Posted by: Jeff

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/29/08 04:35 PM

Thanks for the tips
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/29/08 07:54 PM

I just got back from a weekend of training. One application of 3M Ultrathon Friday morning. Between 9am and 11pm I received 1 bite on my arm and 5 on the small of my back just above my belt...where I neglected to put any. I didn't think about my shirt coming up (I was on my hands and knees most of the time).

I even mixed it with cream sunscreen yesterday. I was worried one would defeat the other but I had no bites and no burns.
Posted by: Dan_McI

Re: Review of different bug repellents - 06/30/08 02:01 AM

Originally Posted By: IzzyJG99
Originally Posted By: bws48
Originally Posted By: Jeff
. . .wife is very sensitive to mosquito bites and ends up scratching them until they bleed when she is bit.


Not a repellent, but a home remedy to stop the itching from mosquito bites, recommended to me by an old pharmacist back in the 60's: take cloudy ammonia, mix 50/50 with plain water, apply to bite with cotton ball or tissue until the itching stops. Do not use on broken/bleeding skin. Usually will stop itching for several hours. Reapply as necessary. Always and still works for me. YMMV.


That's the exact recipe that's in those "Bite Pens" they sell at Wal-Mart. It's amonia, water and aloe in a gel like substance you dab onto the bite. Works wonders.


Take that mix, and right before application add a little baking soda. It will pretty much take care of any bite or sting. When I was a lifeguard ammonia and baking soda was my standard cure for kids stung by bees or bitten by flys. Worked well. Stopped the tears and itching quickly.