What's missing- BOB

Posted by: MDinana

What's missing- BOB - 03/08/08 09:51 PM

With the rash of posts lately, I was motivated to clean out my BOB. I've moved it from a large ALICE pac to this, from CTD:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE124-41648-1964.html

It's a tight squeeze, but so far it's ridden more comfortably than the ALICE.

Wondering if I'm missing anything. For the sake of bandwith, I'll just do a list. Also, there's a few things (like MREs, crowbar, candles) that are house/bug-in supplies not listed. This is to be used as a 72-hr BOB. If I'm walking, I figure I'll travel about 30 miles, maximum, with it on. If I need to go farther, it'll be tossed in my car, and I'll walk when I run out of gas!

Backpack,
Outer pocket: 2 wool blankets (these take up a LOT of space)
2 backpacker Pantry dinners
2 Gatorade packets
3 Kool-Aid packets
1 roll of TP
Stack of coffee filters
Military poncho
4 40-gal plastic trash bags
100 ft of 550 cord
1 packet of moist towelettes
12 trioxane tabs
1 package of Esbit fuel tabs (12)
Pocket size SAS handbook

Large panel pocket:
Clothes packet: stocking cap, 2 pr socks, 1pr underwear, gloves
3 spoons/forks
4 zipties
1 SOG multiplier
1 Paraframe Gerber knife
1 small sharpening stone (from CountyComm)
1 pack: travel size mouthwash, lotion, shampo with 5 dental picks
2 1-gal ziploc bags
1 250ml Nalgene, with photocopy of ID's, 20 Micru-pur tabs

Outer panel packet
1 pr leather gloves
small hatchet

Bottom pocket
1 pack moist towlettes
1 roll TP (I might drop this 2nd roll)
5 books of paper matches
2 tinder-quick
1 firesteel
1 altoid of drier lint
5 9-hour candles
3 Cyalume light sticks
1 River rock LED lantern (AA batteries)_
10 AA batteries
Esbit Stove

Side pockets:
1 GI canteen in each

I want to add a GI cup to one of the canteens, but it wasn't in stock at the Army-navy store.

Thanks for suggestions!

Edit: After 2 replies, I forgot to say:
I did add a FAK, forgot to mention it. Realized I need a better form of shelter! (had a tarp, took it out, haven't replaced it). Also, maybe add a trowel or shovel? And a small box of .22 in case I take the 10/22 with me.
Posted by: JIM

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/08/08 10:13 PM

How about some more tinder, a form of water-purification, a better stove, duct-tape, FAK, metal water-cup?
Posted by: LED

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/08/08 11:12 PM

Small notepad w/pen, pencil?
Posted by: teacher

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/09/08 01:30 AM

Possibly missing; Compass, area maps, GPS, cell phone
small earbud radio (for information), headlamp.
Posted by: hikermor

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/09/08 02:21 AM

What is the total weight? There are quite a few things where equally effective, but lighter, items are available. What are the contemplated weather and terrain conditions for which you are preparing?

I have found cyalumes useless after even moderate long term storage. What will work as USCG approved life vest markers. I would get a headlamp and carry a smaller number of lithium batteries - Lighter, more efficient, and will work in colder weather. I would prefer an appropriate sleeping bag to two wool blankets - much more efficient. If you are carrying dehydrated backpacker meals and water, you might as well save money and carry canned goods (after opening, these can be cooking containers). I really prefer energy dense foods which do not need cooking - well packaged sausages and cheeses, Clif bars, trail mix and nuts. If I am going for lightweight, I would go for an alcohol stove, but folks endlessly argue the merits of Esbit, trioxane, and alcohol.

I rarely go out the door without at least a zip-front synthetic jacket and a light windbreaker-this varies with the season and the terrain. For many western localities, a little bit of rope is an absolute requirement.

Unless you are looking at severe conditions, your poncho will make a perfectly fine shelter. My preference is to find a good rock shelter, but that depends upon the terrain in which you are traveling.

I wouldn't bother with either a trowel or shovel - you can always find a field expedient - usually a handy rock or stick, supplemented, if necessary, with the canteen cup.

These suggestions are just minor tweaking - mostly reflective of personal preference. You will be in the game just fine with what you have listed.
Posted by: Rusty

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/09/08 03:03 AM

+1 on that backpack. Thats what my BOB lives in.
BOB Pics
Posted by: MDinana

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/09/08 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: hikermor
What is the total weight? There are quite a few things where equally effective, but lighter, items are available. What are the contemplated weather and terrain conditions for which you are preparing?

I have found cyalumes useless after even moderate long term storage. What will work as USCG approved life vest markers. I would get a headlamp and carry a smaller number of lithium batteries - Lighter, more efficient, and will work in colder weather. I would prefer an appropriate sleeping bag to two wool blankets - much more efficient. If you are carrying dehydrated backpacker meals and water, you might as well save money and carry canned goods (after opening, these can be cooking containers). I really prefer energy dense foods which do not need cooking - well packaged sausages and cheeses, Clif bars, trail mix and nuts. If I am going for lightweight, I would go for an alcohol stove, but folks endlessly argue the merits of Esbit, trioxane, and alcohol.

I rarely go out the door without at least a zip-front synthetic jacket and a light windbreaker-this varies with the season and the terrain. For many western localities, a little bit of rope is an absolute requirement.

Unless you are looking at severe conditions, your poncho will make a perfectly fine shelter. My preference is to find a good rock shelter, but that depends upon the terrain in which you are traveling.

I wouldn't bother with either a trowel or shovel - you can always find a field expedient - usually a handy rock or stick, supplemented, if necessary, with the canteen cup.

These suggestions are just minor tweaking - mostly reflective of personal preference. You will be in the game just fine with what you have listed.


No idea on the weight; no scale at home! Roughly 30 lbs I'd say, without the water (add 4lbs for that). Intended terrain, at present, is the Detroit area (essentially a rolling metropolis for many dozens of miles). If you've never been here, it eventually goes into forest, with lots of towns/houses along the way. Weather: summer, potentially humid, maybe 80-90s. winter, snowy, this year we've seen down to about 0 F. The kit at present is in it's "winter" configuration.

I agree with you on the sleeping bag; in fact I've got the Sub-kilo by REI (down, about 2lbs), and a synthetic warm weather bag, both sitting in a pile next to this bag. The wool blankets are there mainly in case I have to GO. I'd rather not scrunch up my 2 bags for potentially months at a time. If I have 10 minutes before I need to go, there's a VERY good chance my sleeping bag and 1-man tent would be packed in exchange.

As for the headlamp, good idea. Again, I have one in my camping gear. But it probably would be good to get a small one just to toss in there; I think Walmart has $10 little ion ones. The cyalumes are getting old, so maybe I'll dump them.

During the winter, I added a fleece jacket to the pack. However, it's too tight in this bag to carry the wool blankets AND fleece. So I guess I'm just going to either A) strap it to the outside, or B) grab an extra jacket as I rush out of the house... if I remember!
Posted by: MDinana

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/09/08 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: teacher
Possibly missing; Compass, area maps, GPS, cell phone
small earbud radio (for information), headlamp.


You're right; no compass or maps. I've never used a GPS. I do have a cell phone, with a Bluetooth headset. Like my above post, you're right about the headlamp.
Posted by: Joseph13

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/09/08 06:40 PM

MDinana,

One pair leather gloves, break them in before storing in pack.

Water purification tabs (Micropur MP1, or Potable Aqua ), or one of the electronic or pump style filters/purifiers. (I figure the tablets will fit better in an already tight pack.)

It lookd like you have plenty of,
12 trioxane tabs
1 package of Esbit fuel tabs (12)
but I do not see any type of metal container in the kit.

The GI canteen cup will work great, or something like the MSR Stowaway pots, or http://store.sundogoutfitter.com/Items/z...t%2022oz%2010cm may work if you can pack some stuff inside the pot, as they do not add that much more space. (you may already have this type of thing in the camping gear you mentioned but in a rush to Bug out/ Evacuate it may be better to already have this type of gear stored in the pack.

For the most part your kit sounds like it is well oriented for the 72 hr thing. If space in the pack is an issue there are a ton of bags that you can attach to the outside of your pack.

Joe
Posted by: dweste

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/09/08 09:13 PM

I think your list is great and the effort to be prepared even better. I have only a couple suggested tweaks for your consideration focusing on the idea that you cannot know if the crises will be over in 72 hours and your survival stash may not be available or reachable in 72 hours..

I think it is the Voyager cell phone from Verizon, is a waterproof item with built in GPS and other outdoor-oriented features.

Some change for public phones, vending machines, toilets, etc.

Triplicate list of phone numbers that matter to you.

One of the Grundig self-powered radios that crank generates power enough to recharge itself, cell phones, and small batteries. It could be a hectic 72 hours (that turns into many more hours) with many communication or attempted communication hours that could drain even your spare batteries. An obvious study of weight and space trade-offs is necessary - sorry I have not yet done it.

Along the same lines, self-powered, never-need-batteries flashlight.

Concealed (?drain bamage re what you call it!) under clothes-, belt- , and shoe wallets / pouches – not exclusively for cash.

Clothing not cotton.


Pre-bugout pitstop: car and house kit.

If it is a bugout situation, you or others with whom you choose to travel may be injured before you get to your BOB. Be sure your car and house kit FAK is beefy enough to stabilize sprains or fractures, do significant cut and gash repair, suppress pain, etc. to ready you for bugout. Lots of water in the kit to fully hydrate you, with extra to carry at least for a while as you bugout. Walking / defense staff in kit as optional carry. Lots of food to eat on the go – grab, munch, and discard during the start of your bugout without having to stop and get into your BOB. Complete change of clothes, boots, hat, etc. A second bugout bag / backpack of consumables or whatever for an unexpected and less-well prepared companion to carry - or for you to get back to and carry out as needed.
Posted by: MDinana

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/09/08 11:04 PM

Dweste:
Change is a good idea: will add.
Phone numbers: Ditto; will write them on my ID photocopy sheet.
I keep forgetting spares for my phone: I'll pick up an AA battery charge adapter. I've already got a wind up light/radio in the house, but maybe it's time to move it to the BOB.
Personally, not a big fan of a GPS. I'm in an urban environment, so the chance of me getting "lost" are slim. Detroit is essentially a grid. If I get out far enough, I'm not so worried about where I am, since, well, I'm not trying to get others to find me! Plus, without a map... which is why I've got a compass on order.

My FAK on my BOB is pretty meager compared to some others I have, for example, my home or my vehicle FAK. However, it'll do in a pinch. See http://forums.equipped.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=10200&Number=115963#Post115963 for more on my vehicle FAK.

I totally agree with the water issue. I've got 2 quarts ready to be filled, with 2 collapsable bottles in a fanny pack (the "ditch kit" idea). On the way out the door, as I pass my fridge, hopefully I remember to grab the Nalgene in there too.

I'll add some munchies, maybe to a small bag and add it to the hip belt. Good idea.

Joseph:
MP-1 tabs are already in place. Good idea about the leather gloves though; I'll trade out the new ones in the BOB with the used ones I've got in the backyard. Still working on a cup - worst case I'll just toss in a big can of chili or something and salvage the can.
Thanks!

Posted by: dweste

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/10/08 12:28 AM

Don’t need no stinkin’ GPS in your BOB!?

Some thoughts. Okay, GPS depends on satellites that might not be there, and are not precise to inches most of the time. However ….

As you bugout through the changed landscape of your town you follow your compass toward your survival cache, which turns out to be on the other side of: a newly formed river of flood water / a tangle of downed vegetation and buildings / a scary looking gang or mob / the canyon of an open earthquake fault / a line of raging fires / a downed bridge or causeway / or whatever. Prepared to create a map of declinations and angles and pace out precise distances as you veer far off your intended course so you can get back to original target? How about having pre-waypointed your target so your GPS unerringly guides you in from whatever distance or angle you must travel?

As you bugout you have to stash your BOB because: you are escaping from some threat and need more speed or to get into a tight space / are injured or exhausted / decide to salvage or rescue something or someone / need a safe place to sleep that won’t accommodate your BOB / want to break cover to negotiate for something or chance the use of a public phone, etc. and do not want to advertise your resources or how interesting a target you might be. On the way back because of mistake, panic, smoke, fog, moonless night, rising flood waters, etc. (see above) whatever landmarks you used to take compass readings or memorize the way are no longer available to you. How about having pre-waypointed your target so your GPS unerringly guides you in from whatever distance or angle you must travel in the dark, fog, or whatever?

You know you are close to your survival stash or stashed BOB but recent damage to the landscape makes visual location of what you need impossible, you know, since you were last there the buildings have been replaced or collapsed or altered by fire; the trees and bushes have been downed and moved by wind, water, or other survivors; or you are impaired in vision or thought processes by just about anything. Compass, or follow the “breadcrumb” trail on your GPS to retrace your steps?

Maybe give GPS a second thought, especially when you can get it in a multipurpose piece of gear like a cell phone or radio?
Posted by: Eugene

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/10/08 01:10 AM

Also maps are not updated as often as needed, there are streets around my office that are not yet on the maps because they are building so fast. There are two or three areas along my primary bug out route where expansion is happening so fast the maps can't keep up.
We were meeting a cousin in a state forest and ended up driving right through the middle of it because maps were so inacurate, knowing my actual position would have helped there.
Posted by: dweste

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/10/08 12:53 PM

More thoughts for your BOB consideration:

BTW GPS units include an electronic compass [redundancy].

Some handheld 5 watt, waterproof, VHF, weather radios include GPS and a PLB-type functionality - very pricey!

Smoke / dust mask for urban bugout.

Make-ugly stuff for you supermodels.

Spare glasses, contacts, prescription meds.

Stimulants.

Compact monocular.

Strong letter to yourself with decision tree on whether or not to bugout or "bug-in."

The term I was trying to remember was - money belt.

Posted by: dweste

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/11/08 12:39 PM

Might check your BOB against these for ideas:

Rusty's BOB:

http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.ph...true#Post113455

NIM’s long term last resort kit:

http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.ph...true#Post112981

And consider:

Bugout tactics /strategy – Wildman800
http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=116920&fpart=1
Posted by: eric_2003

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/12/08 02:05 AM

Found this site for a nice first aid medical kit and its suggestions: (MDiana I assume you would have as good a kit already, but I posted anyways for the benefit of other readers of the thread)

http://www.aeromedix.com/aeromedix_articles/medkit/index.html
Posted by: Chuck

Re: What's missing- BOB - 03/12/08 02:20 PM

Do yourself a favor and get a better pack. I have the same one you do and I thought it was great until I used it. Over a two day, 12 mile hike last summer one strap pulled off (not a shoulder strap) and a seam ripped out. These packs look like they are built well but they are not. My son now uses mine for paintball and I bought a Kelty.
Also, get a fishing scale from Walmart, <$10. I made that hike with a 50# load. Never again. My current pack weights 35# including a gallon of water.
Most importantly, get out and use your gear. It can be a real eye opener.
Posted by: teacher

Re: What's missing- BOB - 05/17/19 05:16 PM

I keep my camping gear separate; in most cases I'm going to a friends/shelter/hotel and won't neeed.it
Posted by: teacher

Re: What's missing- BOB - 11/30/19 08:01 PM

Edit: In two separate, marked bags.
One for overnighting in the woods/rough.
The other for overnighting at a hotel/friends house.