Is this the best PLB for all of us ??

At $169 many more people can have this security.

I know nothing about PLB technology, but have wanted one for while.

Is this unit as good as the ones that cost more money.

For those of you who know about these things what are the advantages and disadvantages of this unit?

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Thanks.

see the blog

http://www.equipped.org/blog/?p=77

but the service costs money were as the others dont!

ACR MicroFix PLB w/ internal GPS from aeromedix.com:
$649.99 - battery good for 5 years

SPOT Messenger from aeromedix.com:
$149.90 - for basic unit
$99.99 - for 1st year of service
$99.99 - for 2nd year of service
$99.99 - for 3rd year of service
$99.99 - for 4th year of service
$99.99 - for 5th year of service
TOTAL: $649.90

At least for the first five years the SPOT Messenger is clearly the lower cost option.
:-)

I haven't been able to determine the cost of replacing a battery on the ACR PLB, but I would hope its much less than $500, so the second five years for the PLB should be even cheaper.

I have an ACR AeroFix from Aeromedix.com, and I feel confident that were I to press those buttons that the device would work right and that help would be on the way.

Here is some info posted from someone in another club of mine. it may NOT be accurate.
Please correct us if it is.

* This is a start-up ... new product, very little test data available
* Relies on GlobeStar satellites ... very old equipment, mostly
obsolete, coverage maps are "optimistic" at best
* GlobeStar is near bankruptcy ... their sat phone business is falling
apart due to "poor service" issues and equipment malfunctions
* SPOT unit uses same satellite equipment ...

I would have to agree with you and Doug that I wouldn't bet my life on it, I would definitely go with the ACR. I think over time the Spot will get better providing that they change over to the newer sats, but it's a start up company and will take time to get proficient to work the bugs out, unfortunately it will take one death to ruin and bankrupt the company if their system fails to perform. I'm not a fan of paying yearly for a service either, if I have to do that, I would just rent one when needed.

The good thing about Spot is it may spin other companies off to compete making a better product and with the N95 out and more technologies getting better I can see something on a more global base and reliable rescue product. Even with the current system with over 90% false alarms, needs to be fixed but there's way too much bureaucracy to fix it. Nasa and the military have a huge logistic's at hand to support operations and with fixed budgets the civilian sector will be the last to benefit.

I fear the one day when they put a GM onstar built in your back pack and someone is tracking you 24/7 and you reach down to tie your shoes and a lady comes over a speaker sewed in your pack and says "Hello Mr. Ritter, this is Holly from Onstar and I have noticed that you have fallen and can't get up, your location is XXX and do you need me to dispatch SAR?" or "I see you are being attacked by a black bear and being eaten alive, would you like for me to arange your funeral?"

I hear you, all the manufactures are putting in more anti crash equipment, brake by wire, electronic steering, crash recorders, and help systems to "protect us". These manufactures can't seem to build good products much anymore but they love to put systems on to give us a false sense of security. My grandfather went his whole life without seat belts and it's great that we have them but it should be our option to wear them. Gene pool will take care of the rest.

I've been a Toyota fan for awhile, I own both Ford and Toy, although I had bought a corolla as a work vehicle and it hasn't been out of it's warranty and it's been in the shop several times. I had 2 Toy trucks lasted for ages and bought a Ford for more room and what a mistake that was. I love the truck when it runs but it's left me stranded at 3 am in the morning on I-26 going to Asheville when it was snowing and I didn't appreciate that to much. I always keep tons of just in case gear on board and it paid off on that trip.

Vehicles built by foreign-owned carmakers at assembly plants located in the U.S. and Canada for sale in the U.S. had 66.2% domestic content, while domestic makers (Ford, GM, and Chevy) are at 80%. Therefore, right now domestics do use more domestic parts and build more vehicles in the US than import manufacturers. Ford also has the vehicle with the most domestically produced parts in their E-series vans.

You also have to be careful, as cars like the Civic, Accord, and Altima go through final assembly stateside, but are made with majority imported parts.

Nowadays you have to look at particular models more than brands. Just sticking with Toyota or Ford isn't enough. You have to research each individual vehicle. Right now Ford's F150 is rated as more reliable and has a higher US made parts content than Toyota's Tundra or GM's Silverado. So even though the Toyota is a real hotrod when it comes to trucks and the Silverado has the nicest interior, I would probably go with the F150.

With that said though, I was the one who convinced my father to look at the Lexus RX330 instead of the Ford Explorer/Lincoln Aviator. I have my bias like everyone, but I do my research (both on paper and in person) and have no qualms about picking what I find to be the better vehicle.

Good point Paul810! It's always good to educate yourself!

Hi Folks,

Since we are talking PLB's perhaps I could get your opinion on the older version I carry.

For about 9 years I have carried a MPR/NAT SATFIND-406, Pocket PLB Model L - 2000. I have never used it but do test it once-in-a-while using the test function.

Does anyone know if this older PLB is any good?

Thanks,

Mike

Concerning GlobalStar satellites in relation to Sat. Phones, I have had nothing but problems for over a year.

You might post more information on this if you get it. I could not find a reference on Toyota's web site.

Toyota has had GM's OnStar for a while under the name LexusLink. There's no PLB; the car has an integrated cell phone (you can't use it for making phone calls; it's for the car's use) and when the airbags deploy or other criteria are met it calls LexusLink/OnStar via that cell phone and sends event information including the most recent location from the Navigation/GPS system. Neat but no PLB - if there's no cell coverage too bad.

And before singing too many praises of foreign manufacturers over American:

The original OnStar scheme used an analog cell phone system for improved coverage. Then the FCC killed analog cell service in 2002, effective 1/1/2008 IIRC.

GM offers people with older GM cars an upgrade to a digital cell system so their safety gear works as it did when purchased.

Lexus told my mom to buy a new car, or they'd be willing to rip out the LexusLink system free (i.e., remove all of that safety gear).

1. SPOT is NOT a PLB.

2. SPOT relies on GPS for position and cannot provide a position unless it gets a GPS location. It will now at least provide a distress alert, even without a location, assuming it gets through to the satellites.

3. A PLB has an alternate means of providing locaton (Doppler) and a far more powerful signal, plus a homing signal, hense it is a more robust distress signaling means.

4. There are a lot of other issues and reviewing the info on ETS will flush those out, including the issue of using the Globalstar SIMPLEX satellite network.

I think SPOT will save more lives overall, due to the wider distribution due to lower initial cost, but some lives will be lost due to selection of SPOT when a PLB would have been a better option. Unfortuntely, the consumer is not knowledgeable enough to distinguish between the two technologies and make an informed decison and most sellers also are ignorant, or don't care.

Speaking of which; what is the lowest cost -real- PLB on the market right now?

My advice would be to go with the ACR TerraFix 406 WITH THE ONBOARD GPS.

It is usually easy to tell which has the onboard GPS when ordering since most places have both the one without the onboard GPS and the one with the onboard GPS, and the later one is more expensive. The model without the onboard GPS is called GPS I - the I stands for "Interface". The model WITH the onboard GPS is called GPS I/O - the O stands for "Onboard" - it has both the GPS Interface and the Onboard GPS, thus the I/O.

Make sure you get the one with the onboard (internal) GPS receiver. If hell breaks loose, you're possibly severly injured or immoblized, and you're needing help, you simply do not want to be messing around with a seperate GPS and the associated pair of interconnecting cables (more on those later). Doug Ritter strongly recommends this too.

The MicoFix is a bit smaller and has the advantage of a one-button trigger, but the Aero/Aqua/Terra-Fix406 is still a GREAT unit and costs $100 less.

Put this $100 toward your Doug Ritter Mk3 "superknife" (I really like the Mk3).

Now as to the difference between the Aero/Aqua/Terra versions. The PLB unit itself is identical for each model - exactly the same. The AeroFix has a black holster case, the AeroFix's holster is blue, and the TerraFix's is green. Personally I wish the holster was a brighter color - maybe that neon green.

A more important differfence is that the AeroFix and AquaFix come with a GPS interface cable that has bare-wire ends, while the TerraFix comes with a GPS interface cable that has a 9-pin male serial connector that can connect to commonly available cables that connect to GPS units. The AeroFix and AquaFix also come with a small screw-in hook that allows you to hang it on a wall/bulkhead.

When made my own PLB purchase I didn't know about the interface cable difference. I bought the Aero version from Aeromedix.com - mostly to support a great company (Aeromedix has treated me real well). I was surprised and kind of disappointed to find that the AeroFix (and the AquaFix) only come with the bare wire hand-held GPS interface cable, so I had to order a separate 9-pin serial connector interface cable, which cost an additional $37 plus shipping (sigh). Yes, I bought the PLB with an integrated GPS, but I still wanted to be able to hook up my high sensivity GPSMAP 60CSx to it if necessary - if the PLB had a problem getting a GPS fix.

Had I read Doug's review more carefully ahead of time I'd have known that only the TerraFix comes with the 9-pin serial connector - he points that out very clearly at http://www.equipped.org/terrafix_406gps_plb.htm . My mistake.

The TerraFix's interface cable runs from an optical connector at the PLB to a 9-pin male serial connector. If you want to use the interface cable you'll need to make sure you have a cable that goes from your GPS to a 9-pin female serial connector. My 60CSx came with a USB cable, but not a serial cable, so I had to buy one too.

If you're going to be using the PLB in field - as opposed to connected the PLB to a plane or ship system - and might bring a hand held GPS along with you, then do get the TerraFix instead of the AeroFix or AquaFix. Otherwise the three units are identical except for holster color, the style of GPS connector interface cable, and that little hook.

Ken K.

Spot calls itself the "first" satellite messenger.

Does anybody know, are other satellite messenger devices coming out soon?

"Soon" is a very relative word, but yes, others are working on devices that work with other comnmercial satellite systems. When they will arrive on the market is unknown.

Here is another thread from another site,
sounds like poor coverage, lengthy aquisition times, no try before
you buy, and no knowledge if your message was sent or not.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/...ost=85059#85059

For the record, a SPOT isn't a PLB. A PLB sends signals via 406 MHz to low earth orbit (among others) satellites and has a 121.5 MHz homing beacon.

A SPOT uses satellite phone technology, broadcasting in the L-band spectrum (1600 MHz range). A SPOT has no homing beacon.

I'm not saying the SPOT is horrible, but neither is it a true PLB.

Doug has written several pieces on the SPOT; you might want to check them out:
http://www.equipped.org/SPOT_ORSummer2007.htm
http://www.equipped.org/blog/index.php?s=SPOT
http://www.equipped.org/blog/?p=73

Garmin, Garmin mini and a new (Garmin) plb in a gps device - will look up the name.

InReach.