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#258528 - 04/04/13 03:40 PM Is it a Knife, Is it a Tool, No its a Weapon
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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I was at my local gun dealers shop earlier this afternoon, looking for a new .22 air rifle (a gas air ram springer), when the discussion got onto legalities such as Firearms Certification (FAC), Registration and the newly proposed Scottish Governments Licensing on Sub FAC 12ftlbs energy Rifles. crazy

I was surprised that Registration of non FAC classified air rifles was required but this was apparently required after changes a few years back that air rifles now have to sold face to face. This was before I had purchased my last air rifle via the Internet.

This is where things get strange after the discussion of registration for knives (yes I know Knifes! shocked ) was required for selling knifes to the public.

A Buck Metro - required registration i.e taking the customers name and address for registration- This was classified as a Knife weapon.

A Fallkniven A2 Fixed Blade - no registration required - Regarded as a tool. Able to sold to the public no questions asked.

crazy crazy crazy .....











Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (04/04/13 03:44 PM)

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#258531 - 04/04/13 04:04 PM Re: Is it a Knife, Is it a Tool, No its a Weapon [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Amazing! And all this silliness from the land that gave us the skean dhu. Could it be that the Metro is thought to be useful as a weapon in the same manner as the traditional armpit dagger (whatever you call it in Gaelic?)
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#258534 - 04/04/13 04:15 PM Re: Is it a Knife, Is it a Tool, No its a Weapon [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Hmm, really!?

Sounds nonsense to me (fellow UK inhabitant).

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#258542 - 04/04/13 04:46 PM Re: Is it a Knife, Is it a Tool, No its a Weapon [Re: hikermor]
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Amazing! And all this silliness from the land that gave us the skean dhu.


A Skean Dhu (an actual fighting knife weapon or would that have been fighting knife tool) would not have required registration for purchase. It is a fixed blade knife! laugh

The Dealer explained that any locking folding blade of any size whether it was a Buck Metro 1 inch blade or not, required the customers details to be recorded, i.e. Name and Address, as part of his legal compliance.

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In areas with "zero tolerance" weapons policies, or heightened security concerns, the wearing of the sgian-dubh as part of traditional Scottish dress has sometimes created controversy. One such incident was the banning of sgian-dubhs from a school dance in Scotland.[5]

As with many other knives and cutting tools, air travellers have to put their sgian-dubh in checked baggage.

In Scotland, it is legal under the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995 Sec. 49, Sub-sec. 5(c) to wear a sgian-dubh, or other weapon, as part of any national costume.[6]

In England and Wales, it is legal under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139)[7] and the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (section 4)[8] for someone wearing the national costume of Scotland to carry a sgian-dubh - see knife legislation.


So as long as your 'tooled up' for a knife weapons, er I mean tool fight in fancy dress then open carry of the sgian-dubh is perfectly legal. whistle



Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (04/04/13 04:47 PM)

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#258543 - 04/04/13 05:00 PM Re: Is it a Knife, Is it a Tool, No its a Weapon [Re: ]
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As for registering air rifles. You can thank Carlos the Jackal for that. He reportedly was a fan of using them in countries where obtaining firearms was nigh impossible.


There is a difference between a sub FAC 12ft/lbs Air Rifles and a FAC Daystate 0.303 Calibre Wolverine Air Rifle. smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysvz378Ttjw

There really seems to be little understanding of lethality capabilities from the Politicians though. frown

This is even in the area of knife use in crime. Most assaults in Scotland is made using Kitchen Cutlery, where there are no sale or registration issues for folks aged 18+

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#258545 - 04/04/13 05:06 PM Re: Is it a Knife, Is it a Tool, No its a Weapon [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Interesting. Here in California, it is the fixed blade knives that are regarded as weapons of mass destruction, while folders are hunk dory..


Edited by hikermor (04/04/13 05:54 PM)
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#258546 - 04/04/13 05:06 PM Re: Is it a Knife, Is it a Tool, No its a Weapon [Re: Ren]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Sounds nonsense to me


That's exactly what I initially thought! In fact I was a left a little bit speechless. The dealer certainly did know his stuff upon further questioning.

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#258548 - 04/04/13 06:28 PM Re: Is it a Knife, Is it a Tool, No its a Weapon [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Knife politics are not an appropriate discussion topic. Thread locked.



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