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#232610 - 09/23/11 04:08 AM FTL neutrinos at CERN?
dweste Offline
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This could be big!

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#232611 - 09/23/11 05:08 AM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: dweste]
Phaedrus Offline
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Yeah, I'm gonna hold off the bubbly 'til another lab or two confirms it. This would be the biggest science news since Galileo or Copernicus!
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#232612 - 09/23/11 05:10 AM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: dweste]
Bingley Offline
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Where can I get some of them faster-than-the-speed-of-light new trinos for my PSK? wink

Da Bing

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#232613 - 09/23/11 05:18 AM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: Bingley]
dweste Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bingley
Where can I get some of them faster-than-the-speed-of-light new trinos for my PSK? ;)Da Bing


Just look for the cold fusion vending machine.

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#232614 - 09/23/11 05:53 AM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: dweste]
MostlyHarmless Offline
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Neutrinos must be related to bad news. NOTHING travels faster than light, with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.

It is possible that someone will figure out how to utilize bad news to travel faster than light - but you will extremely unpopular when you arrive...

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#232618 - 09/23/11 12:24 PM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: dweste]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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FTL is old news just like the requirement for FTL for the BCS (Cooper pair) superconductivity model which basically requires electron coupling and being that we are dealing with particle physicists requires a particle to have FTL for the electron coupling. Then there was the anti gravity machine in the basement of Dundee University Fulton building back in the 1980s. That was a bit of a mystery as well even more so than the cold fusion experiments.

Any way here's my simple explanation for the anomaly.

Non euclidean space time. Photons are subject to gravity interaction just as light is bent (changes direction slightly) passing by a star. Neutrino aren't hence less distance (from a euclidean space time POV) to travel means they get from A to B just a little more quickly. A particle with no mass and no charge i.e. a Neutrino. Now who ever said it was subject to the same rules of special relativity considering that particle physicists always like to make up another particle to make all the other particles interact nicely in their universe.

Now we have to suffer all the Star Trek analogies once more. wink

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#232619 - 09/23/11 12:32 PM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: dweste]
bws48 Offline
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What surprises me is that the lack of coverage in US news media. 100 years of the most rock solid part of physics(special relativity) may, if this is confirmed, go down the tube.

What is especially interesting is that several years ago, an experiment at the Fermilab in Chicago came up with similar results, but these results were dismissed due to potential measurement errors and were not followed up on. Now they are.
Article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8783264/Speed-of-light-broken-an-experts-view.html

IMO, this prior result seems to lessen the chance that these new results are some sort of "cold fusion" non-reproducible result.
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#232620 - 09/23/11 12:42 PM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
bws48 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor


Non euclidean space time. Photons are subject to gravity interaction just as light is bent (changes direction slightly) passing by a star. Neutrino aren't hence less distance (from a euclidean space time POV) to travel means they get from A to B just a little more quickly. wink


Nice idea. Could this be verified by math?

If you assume speed of light is constant for both neutrinos and photons, and you know the amount of gravity and straight line distance traveled, I think it would be possible to calculate the travel times for the particles on the curved path (photons) and the straight line path (neutrinos), and compare this mathematical model with the observed results.
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#232621 - 09/23/11 01:25 PM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: bws48]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Nice idea. Could this be verified by math?


Probably not! (just like the damned quantum physics and electrodynamics QED ignoring the problems of fine structure constant crazy ). If it doesn't add up then the difference is probably just a measurement of the permittivity and permeability of the dark matter in the local space time vacuum, (which we cannot measure) in this part of this universe. whistle If that doesn't work then I'm pretty sure the 11th dimensional string theory boys will have it all worked out. sick

Sorry I gave up long ago wondering where the fluff in the belly button came from let alone thinking back to Sandy who built himself an antigravity machine in his garden shed.

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#232623 - 09/23/11 01:56 PM Re: FTL neutrinos at CERN? [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Russ Offline
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wink those drugs Sandy cooked up in his garden shed would tend to make one feel lighter than air. cool
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