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#94511 - 05/13/07 02:21 AM PVC questions
ironraven Offline
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Maybe this belongs in the long term section, dunno...

I'm thinking about setting up a stash of PVC pipe and fittings at my folks. Realistically, about the hardest thing I can think of to make that we would really miss is pipe. I've also been inspired by Wildman's food tube, so I've got a few designs in my head for things like a jumbo match case.

But I've never worked with the stuff.

Do I need the primer, or can I get by with just the glue? The fewer things I have to store, the better.

Do the glue and primer get funky if they are allowed to freeze? Where I have in mind to store this isn't climate controlled.

And I've been toying with a screw-in inspection plug and fitting that I picked up the other day, and it leaks. It's also reached the point where I want pliers to get it off sometimes. I know it isn't this complicated, and they aren't supposed to leak. What am I doing wrong? For a match case, this is kinda critical.
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#94512 - 05/13/07 02:34 AM Re: PVC questions [Re: ironraven]
tfisher Offline
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I have tried using 3/4 pvc pipe for a large match case and a Sheriff's deputy friend of mine just about had a fit that I was putting strike anywhere matches inside a pipe.

It did work very well though.
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#94513 - 05/13/07 02:56 AM Re: PVC questions [Re: ironraven]
wildman800 Offline
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I use the primer along with the glue.

The food tube is a 4"x2' length of PVC pipe that has the flat cap on one end (there are flat bottomed and the curved caps) and a sewage access (threaded) plug on the other end.

The threaded cap can take some significant hand grip and strength to screw in tightly and to unscrew it. You might try cutting a rubber gasket to place inside the access port. That would provide a better seal and should require less effort to seal and unseal the fitting.

I used some stout wire ties at each end (wrapped around each end just inboard of the two caps) along with "easy links" to attach a shoulder strap.

I roll the food tube inside of my sleeping pad and then secure that at the bottom of my ALICE pack,,,or I can carry it as a single piece of gear, using the shoulder strap.
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#94514 - 05/13/07 03:02 AM Re: PVC questions [Re: ironraven]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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The primer is good. I have glued a bunch of joints without it, and had one fail from time to time. Can't help you with the freezing part, sorry. All of the screw in pvc fittings seem to be hard to open/close sometimes, good reason to keep a multi-tool around. As for the leaking, that shouldn't be happening. Did you have it screwed in all the way? Putting some pvc tape on the threads might help with the waterproofness, and might even help with the ease of opening/closing. One thing to keep in mind: no matter what they claim, pvc is not really UV protected, at least not the usual schedule 40 stuff. It gets brittle with time. So if you start to build up a stash, I would recommend storing it out of the sun...
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#94517 - 05/13/07 03:17 AM Re: PVC questions [Re: OldBaldGuy]
ironraven Offline
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Thanks guys.

I'm using 2" for this experiment, and they have a 1" square on them. I haven't tightened it down, not quite- I can't with just my hand, which makes it less desirable for this purpose. frown Maybe I should put a pair of small channel locks and a decent modular screwdriver in BOB....

Why is it every time I get a good idea, I want to put more weight in BOB?
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#94518 - 05/13/07 04:23 AM Re: PVC questions [Re: ironraven]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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My brother has used a lot of PVC pipe in the high desert, where it's cold and hot.

Primer is good, it makes the adhesive grip better.

Both primer and adhesive (in original containers) can take the cold (freezing) but not heat. Heat makes some part of the contents evaporate, which makes the stuff useless.

Since it can be very difficult to reseal the cans, several smaller cans of primer and adhesive are better than one large one.

PVC isn't very tolerant of UV light, as mentioned above. The easiest way to protect without taking up valuable storage space is to bury it, marking the spot.

Sue

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#94526 - 05/13/07 09:22 AM Re: PVC questions [Re: ironraven]
Chisel Offline
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Not exactly what you are asking about but its worth reminding everyone that pvc pipes are very flexible stuff that you can use to make/improvise all kinds of things.

Look at these chairs amde of pvc pipes.











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#94527 - 05/13/07 09:48 AM Re: PVC questions [Re: wildman800]
Chisel Offline
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Regarding the food tube

I have read about PVC tubes being used for a buried cache. Some may put in it a survival kit or food ..etc.. In such case I understand the use of tough material like PVC to hold the survival gear underground. However, when you need to carry it with a shoulder strap, the straight hard tube isnt comfortable to carry for a length of distance. A soft duffel bag is much better for that purpose and it can douple as a sleeping pillow.

Am I missing something here ?

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#94530 - 05/13/07 12:09 PM Re: PVC questions [Re: Chisel]
Rotncore Offline
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Registered: 12/24/05
Posts: 28
Loc: Canada
Just a quick idea, I'm not super familiar with PVC piping, but for the threaded end, if the raised square part is solid, could you not drill a hole through, and insert a dowel/rebar etc for torque, eliminating need for specific tools?

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#94535 - 05/13/07 04:30 PM Re: PVC questions [Re: Chisel]
librarian Offline
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Registered: 07/26/06
Posts: 34
Loc: Conroe, Texas
PVC continued...A Texas Aggie + idea + PVC = American capitalism!
Go, USA!
http://www.dewiechairs.com/owner.html

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