#285683 - 08/27/17 04:52 PM
Article: "Doomsday planning for less crazy folk"
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Journeyman
Registered: 10/07/04
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Just came across this lengthy article - has some philosophy as well as practical links. Doomsday planning for less crazy folk
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#285688 - 08/27/17 07:02 PM
Re: Article: "Doomsday planning for less crazy folk"
[Re: Michael2]
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Veteran
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I stopped reading at the sentence: But no matter if our elected officials prefer to school us with passages from Milton Friedman or from Thomas Piketty, the hard truth is that no state can provide a robust safety net for all of life's likely contingencies; in most places, government-run social programs are severely deficient in funding, in efficiency, and in scope. Neither Friedman nor Piketty says that the state provides (or should provide) a "robust safety net for all of life's likely contingencies." It is particularly laughable to see Friedman's name connected to such an idea. Also, which elected official has been "schooling us" in economic theory? The above is not a political observation, just fact checking. This sort of error makes me think the author hasn't put in enough care and thought into his article to make it worth my while.
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#285782 - 08/30/17 03:02 AM
Re: Article: "Doomsday planning for less crazy folk"
[Re: Bingley]
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Stranger
Registered: 12/27/14
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I stopped reading at the sentence... That's too bad, as you've missed out on a very well done essay. Neither Friedman nor Piketty says that the state provides (or should provide) a "robust safety net for all of life's likely contingencies." You're being extraordinarily picky. Friedman is generally understood to champion the citizen's efforts over the government. Piketty's chief tenet is that the government should redistribute wealth in the interest of fairness and economic safety. It's just a sentence in a prepper essay but it's a reasonable compare/contrast between two very divergent worldviews. The above is not a political observation, just fact checking. This sort of error makes me think the author hasn't put in enough care and thought into his article to make it worth my while. Thirty seconds on Wikipedia undermines your point. What, are you an econ major or something?
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#285783 - 08/30/17 03:21 AM
Re: Article: "Doomsday planning for less crazy folk"
[Re: Michael2]
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Crazy Canuck
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 3219
Loc: Alberta, Canada
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I agree that the article was definitely worth reading, despite the minor detour that was a turn-off for Mr. B. No need to get into petty arguments, folks, it was a throw-away sentence that's not worth the energy to debate.
Nothing enormously new for me in there, but I like the philosophy of recognizing, planning and mitigating real-life risks, rather than sexy apocalypses (how do you pluralize that anyway? can you have more than one?).
Edited by dougwalkabout (08/30/17 03:25 AM)
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#285814 - 08/31/17 04:42 PM
Re: Article: "Doomsday planning for less crazy folk"
[Re: Robert_McCall]
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Registered: 02/27/08
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Thirty seconds on Wikipedia undermines your point. What, are you an econ major or something? Your post actually supports my point. Perhaps if you reread and think a little more about it, you'd see that we're, ironically, on the same side where content is concerned. And, no, I've never studied economics formally. It just seems to me like every educated person should know something about people like Friedman, as their ideas have influenced the course of world events. But maybe young people these days need to actually major in something in college or look things up on the unreliable Wikipedia to know the very basics. I prefer to take my survival advice from people who have thought carefully about it. If the author skimps on one part, where else has he skimped? "It's just a sentence" or "it's just a throwaway" can be used to justify ideas like "mix ammonia and vinegar to double their cleaning power!" (NOTE: do not mix these two liquids! You will produce toxic fumes!) I urge people to apply a higher standard when their lives are on the line.
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#285819 - 08/31/17 08:28 PM
Re: Article: "Doomsday planning for less crazy folk"
[Re: Bingley]
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Crazy Canuck
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 3219
Loc: Alberta, Canada
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I agree that fact checking is mandatory. This is an article off the Internet, with all the caveats that implies.
I think the general philosophy and approach of the article is very useful. I'm not convinced of certain statements he makes, but that's par for everything I read online. Even vetted and published materials get the skeptical eye, since good advice for one landscape may be bad advice in another.
I hope that we can discuss gaps or inaccurate statements in the document rather than descending into personalities. It's a much more productive use of time and energy.
(P.S., I suspect you were thinking of household bleach in your example. But I get your point.)
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#285826 - 09/01/17 04:35 AM
Re: Article: "Doomsday planning for less crazy folk"
[Re: Bingley]
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Stranger
Registered: 12/27/14
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The basic Friedman vs Piketty analogy is reasonable for the topic involved and the clear intent of the author. To ETSers who haven't yet read the essay in question, check it out, as one of its best merits is the reasonable risk assessment the author uses. I see it as a strategy vs. tactics thing. ...ideas like "mix ammonia and vinegar to double their cleaning power!" (NOTE: do not mix these two liquids! You will produce toxic fumes!) I urge people to apply a higher standard when their lives are on the line. Are you sure about that?
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#285828 - 09/01/17 11:10 AM
Re: Article: "Doomsday planning for less crazy folk"
[Re: Michael2]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 11/09/06
Posts: 2846
Loc: La-USA
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Mixing ammonia and chlorox (chlorine) bleach makes phosgene gas.
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