#237759 - 12/22/11 05:57 AM
Re: Missing Arizona State student found and is 'alive
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Registered: 10/12/07
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She is one lucky gal. I won't bash on her, but I will say that it's definitely a good idea to be well prepared when driving in rural areas in the snow. It's just too easy to get stuck. "Weinberg, who is studying supply chain management..." There's got to be some sense of irony there. HJ
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#237762 - 12/22/11 06:41 AM
Re: Missing Arizona State student found and is 'alive
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Registered: 02/11/10
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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Arizona will eat you up & spit you out,More so than anywhere else,no matter the season!She's one lucky gal,that's for sure!It's kind of a shame ASU doesn't have a standard curriculum or protocol designed to inform their students to be Equipped to Survive at all times when travelling about!Arizona being home to many,Well known survival experts including the founding father of this,Very Wonderful Site!I feel very lucky to be a member of this forum!
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#237764 - 12/22/11 09:43 AM
Re: Missing Arizona State student found and is 'alive
[Re: Richlacal]
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Arizona will eat you up & spit you out,More so than anywhere else,no matter the season! ?? I am not sure I agree with this statement....Arizona does have some rough country, but so does a lot of the western US. What surprises many people is how cold and snowy much of Arizona is, particularly the country north of the Mogollon Rim. The saying is, "There's nothing between Flagstaff and the North Pole except a barbed wire fence."
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#237774 - 12/22/11 01:22 PM
Re: Missing Arizona State student found and is 'alive
[Re: MDinana]
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Not at all, or at least not very dissimilar to much of the rest of the western US, which was my point. Interior Southern California is very similar to Arizona, only more so. Think of the extremes that exist between Badwater (the low point in Death Valley) and the summit of Mt Whitney. With the exception of the very top of the San Francisco Peaks, none of Arizona exceeds timberline.
I lived and worked in Arizona, in both the northern and southern portions of the state from 1956 to 1985,and Arizona was the venue for learning about the outdoors. I did most of my SAR work there. I learned to keep a car stocked with basic survival items, especially water, at all times.
I experienced extremes while doing outdoor activities ranging from -40 (Flagstaff) to somewhere around 110 (Tucson).
Arizona contains beautiful, interesting country. People who pay attention to conditions thrive and enjoy. Those who don't, don't thrive. The problem is with the people, not the environment.
Edited by hikermor (12/22/11 11:47 PM)
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#237775 - 12/22/11 01:31 PM
Re: Missing Arizona State student found and is 'alive
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Registered: 03/08/07
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Not at all, or at least not very dissimilar to much of the rest of the western US, which was my point. Interior Southern California is very similar to Arizona, only more so. Think of the extremes that exist between Badwater (the low point in Death Valley) and the summit of Mt Whitney). With the exception of the very top of the San Francisco Peaks, none of Arizona exceeds timberline.
I lived and worked in Arizona, in both the northern and southern portions of the state from 1956 to 1985,and Arizona was the venue for learning about the outdoors. I did most of my SAR work there. I learned to keep a car stocked with basic survival items, especially water, at all times.
I experienced extremes while doing outdoor activities ranging from -40 (Flagstaff) to somewhere around 110 (Tucson).
Arizona contains beautiful, interesting country. People who pay attention to conditions thrive and enjoy. Those who don't, don't thrive. The problem is with the people, not the environment. Ain't that the truth. Whitney is great, but yeah, that swing in elevation really gets to you. I can't believe they do ultra marathons on that stretch.
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#237776 - 12/22/11 01:55 PM
Re: Missing Arizona State student found and is 'alive
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Registered: 11/25/08
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Loc: Washington, DC
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Even with the seemingly ridiculous amount of gear I keep in my vehicle, the conditions she was in would be extremely uncomfortable -- not to mention the stress of being stranded. The lowest temperature I've car camped in (sleeping in an insulated teardrop trailer) was 19 degrees. Even swaddled head-to-toe in fleece and in a sleeping bag (zero or 20-degree, I can't remember which), I was cold.
So kudos to her for being mentally tough enough to persevere. And thank God for those USFS employees checking the road gates.
The article doesn't say what her fuel situation was and whether she was able to run her car heater.
Roughly how much fuel per hour does an idling car engine consume?
She wasn't prepared for the winter conditions and did not have a heavy coat or blankets, Blair said.
Weather forecasters and authorities said her survival was remarkable, given the more than 2 feet of snow in the area and temperatures that dipped to near zero some of the nights. Blair said Weinberg had a cellphone but the battery was dead.
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#237777 - 12/22/11 02:06 PM
Re: Missing Arizona State student found and is 'alive
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Registered: 08/07/05
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Loc: Saratoga Springs,Utah,USA
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Blair said Weinberg had a cellphone but the battery was dead. Kinda makes you want to keep a car charger handy. (providing there was cell service)
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