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#150319 - 09/28/08 09:27 PM man with survival equipment dead in desert
big_al Offline
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Death in the desert

thought this might interest a lot of the people here on the forum, Know your limits. low on gas, low on water and unable to call for help.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20080928-9999-1c28tannerm.html.


Coordinates for the Clapp Spring area are:

N 33.41092 W 114.85603

A very desolate area, not much out there.




Edited by big_al (09/28/08 10:12 PM)
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#150322 - 09/28/08 10:00 PM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: ]
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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What 'survival equipment?' In the desert, my 10 essentials list is:
1.water
2.water
3.water
4.water
5.water
6.water
7.water
8.water
9.water
10.water

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#150324 - 09/28/08 10:32 PM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
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I don't think this was a case of all brawn and no brains. And I think it was more then simply not carrying enough water. I think this is a case of a person looking for a survival situation. He was looking for a challenge, and he was possibly depressed. He was a driven man who had lost a title fight and a come back fight. He also sounds from the article like someone too proud to ask for help. Its a sad story of a person who had many of the traits need to survive (unwilling to give up) but still lost the mental battle for survival.

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#150327 - 09/28/08 11:04 PM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: AROTC]
bws48 Offline
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It also sounds to me like depression or something like it was a complicating factor.

But also, it is possible that he thought that his strength/determination/will would allow him to overcome dehydration. It won't.

Sad and a waste.

Dehydration (and hypothermia) really don't care very much how strong or determined you are. They will still kill you quickly.
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#150329 - 09/29/08 12:05 AM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: big_al]
Sherpadog
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Originally Posted By: big_al


Death in the desert

thought this might interest a lot of the people here on the forum, Know your limits. low on gas, low on water and unable to call for help.


Already discussed in great detail with some good insights here.

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#150330 - 09/29/08 12:41 AM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: ]
CityBoyGoneCountry Offline
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Registered: 11/04/07
Posts: 369
Originally Posted By: l33tYoDuh
A study in "all brawn and no brains"


Am I the only one who sees the irony in calling someone else stupid when you don't even know all the details of what happened?

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#150335 - 09/29/08 02:02 AM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: CityBoyGoneCountry]
CANOEDOGS Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
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Loc: MINNESOTA

i had my first look at the SW US last August..i sent a post to the site from a hotel to the effect that now i could see why so many of you made a big deal out of storeing and carrying water--there is none out there..being from the Land of 10,000 lakes and having the Mississippi River roll thru a gorge at the end of my street water was a ho-hum subject..when i got out of the car to get some photos the 100 something temps just about dropped me..my thoughts were that you could not carry enought water to last a day out in that heat..that story about those old desert rats out looking for gold and knowing where every seep and spring was must be true scoop--

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#150344 - 09/29/08 11:05 AM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: CANOEDOGS]
CJK Offline
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Registered: 08/14/05
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Loc: FL, USA
We get people down in SWFL (either as 'Snow Birds or tourists) and when someone ultimately calls 911 for a 'heat illness', they are stunned to find out that in the tropics/sub tropics, they can sweat 4 litres in 1 hour! I usually tell them this after they have answered the question...Have you been drinking water throughout (what ever it is they said they were doing)? Oh yes they tell me...I've had 3 glasses since I began to (work) in the heat 3 hours ago......! It is at this point that they realize just how far behind the 8 ball they really are.

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#150351 - 09/29/08 02:09 PM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: bws48]
Doug_SE_MI Offline
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Registered: 01/05/08
Posts: 35
Loc: Michigan
Judgment is the first thing to go in both heat illnesses and hypothermia. You need to watch out for your companions and make sure they are educated on the dangers and watching out for you. Going solo is taking a risk, even on a day hike.

And people under-estimate the risk. One can suffer heat exhaustion doing winter activities....

It wasn't that long ago that an SAS candidate got lost and died of hypothermia in a cross-country training exercise.


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#150357 - 09/29/08 02:42 PM Re: man with survival equipment dead in desert [Re: Doug_SE_MI]
SolidVFR Offline
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Registered: 06/23/08
Posts: 26
He didn't seem like the brightest guy out there. If your not prepared, you die...a pretty simple theory. I'll let people like him try to disprove it, but I regard that as a fact.


Edited by SolidVFR (09/29/08 02:43 PM)

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