Thor,<br> Sorry if I offended. Just trying to keep focus on the forum. To answer directly, I use a duffle for the preparedness stuff in my jeep, a set of very large surplus rucks from italy for Bug-Out bags for my wife myself and my kids. I don't expect that the kids will be able to carry them full or far but they are large enough.<br><br>For extended hiking I take a medium Alice - unlike some others here, I like the alice I hike mostly in the White Mtn's of NH. I just packed it and weighed it and It comes in at just over 45 pounds without water.<br><br>For day Hikes I have a camelback blowfish which works for me.<br><br>I believe that a large alice might be better for the BOB than the medium that I use for hiking but the large italian surplus rucks are actually larger than the large alice. Those are very large. No frame. no pads on sholder or hip belts. They can be lugged or strapped on and you can carry a bunch for a short distance. They are more lugage than they are backpacks but the usage scenario I envision is quite different as I said.