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#63476 - 04/12/06 07:21 PM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
cedfire Offline
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Registered: 07/10/03
Posts: 659
Loc: Orygun
I would definitely keep moving, but on the main streets. No back alleys or areas that look like they came from a bad movie.

I like the idea of looking homeless or crazy, but something tells me ripping my ironed jeans and spreading mud on my clean t-shirt isn't going to fool anyone who lives on the streets.

If possible, I might plan a route between police stations and fire stations. At least there would be pockets of safety (hopefully) during the long trek out of town.

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#63477 - 04/12/06 07:45 PM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
anotherinkling Offline
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Registered: 03/09/05
Posts: 109
Loc: Chicago
Unlike most, I don't have the handgun option but do live in a city where this type of scenario is possible, save for the volcanic ash (we'll call it "generic toxic cloud"). I'd throw the 10/22 and 20-gauge pump in the car with a dry box full of ammo for both.

If I had to abandon the car, I'd put the 20-gauge in pistol grip, 30-inch mode (if it wasn't already) and take 28 shells of #3 buckshot (8 in the tube and 20 in my BOB). I would likely slip the shotgun into a gun sock and strap it to the side of my pack or tuck it inside with only a bit poking out. Though less than ideal for hunting, it would probably be needed more for defensive purposes in the described scenario.

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#63478 - 04/12/06 08:36 PM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
ki4buc Offline
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Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
Off the top of my head, some things I think you really need to pay attention to if you're going to try and look homeless. These are things that might give you away:

- Shoes - They should be years old... not new
- Hands - Calused(sp?) and rough is better, if you have delicate hands, cover them with some crappy old work gloves
- Eyes/Face - Most homeless I've seen look "worn", or "tired". A long haired wig and some dirt might help
- Your smell - If you smell like Salon Selectives and Irish Spring, that will give you away faster than anything else.
- Shopping Cart - If it's not old, rusted out, and one wheel held together with shoestrings, then, you don't fit in! I also hear it is hip to have 2! Make sure you fill your cart with things that could be recycled, and things that look like "mementos".

I may make jokes, but that doesn't mean I don't respect them as human beings, in fact, you might actually learn something about survival by talking to someone who is homeless.

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#63479 - 04/13/06 06:45 AM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
frediver Offline
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Registered: 05/17/04
Posts: 215
Loc: N.Cal.
Think I just stay with my 40 watt C.P.G.
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#63480 - 04/13/06 07:25 PM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
Craig_phx Offline
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Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 715
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Here in Phoenix our Boy Scout Troop takes a turn at working at a "soup kitchen". It is St. Vincent de Paul Chris Becker Memorial Dinning Room. They feed 7 days a week from 5 to 6 PM. We go and set up tables and serve food. We then clean up when their time is up.

I have truly seen the homeless first hand! They are mostly mildly mentally ill and/or on drugs. Sometimes they smell of sweat and/or urine. They look like a cross section of America as far as race and intelligence. They are mostly clean and do not smell. I suspect we pass homeless people every day and do not realize they are homeless.

I think the most camouflaged person in America is an average middle class white guy. If you don't look grubby are wearing jeans, a polo shirt, tennis shoes and no "bling" you are invisible to other Americans and the police. The homeless pushing a shopping cart or sleeping on a bus stop bench stick out.

I suspect if you look the way you normally do and are not doing something strange that no one will be interested.

Just don't look like an easy target!
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#63481 - 04/15/06 01:52 AM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
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I would have some kind of handgun for personal protection. Something 9mm or larger. I personnaly have a .40. A long rifle and a shotgun, maybe even a 20 guage with birdshot.

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#63482 - 04/16/06 06:37 PM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
DBAGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/02/04
Posts: 165
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
WIth all due respect ... why did you wait so long?

The only major event I can think of that could get you completely off guard is a major earthquake. And then you probably wont be able to get home, load your BOB, and bug out.

My apologies, but guns are the least of your problems/concerns under these circumstances.
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#63483 - 04/16/06 07:05 PM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
Anonymous
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WIth all due respect ... why did you wait so long?
Why did I wait so long? For what?

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My apologies, but guns are the least of your problems/concerns under these circumstances.
Possibly, but this topic is like a board game....you have to play by the scenario. And the scenario is about firearms
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#63484 - 04/16/06 07:12 PM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
ironraven Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
I've been trying to diplomatically to find a way to say the same thing.

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When a man dare not speak without malice for fear of giving insult, that is when truth starts to die. Truth is the truest freedom.

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#63485 - 04/17/06 02:44 AM Re: More on Firearms; a City Bug-Out Scenario.
wildcard163 Offline


Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 417
Loc: Illinois
If you say so... chuckle, chuckle.

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