#58897 - 01/23/06 12:16 PM
Wal-Mart Survival Food (on a budget)
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Stranger
Registered: 01/23/06
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The Wal-Mart MRE discussion reminded me of a question I've been wanting to ask...
What standard grocery store packaged food products would be best to stock up on for an emergency pantry?
My criteria would probably be low-cost, long shelf-life, and a minimum of preparation. "Real" survival food seems pretty pricey to me.
From my poor student days, I know it's cheap to stock up on ramen noodles and chicken noodle soup. I suspect the ramen noodles probably have a poor shelf life. My guess is the soup would do a lot better.
Any suggestions?
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#58898 - 01/23/06 02:14 PM
Re: Wal-Mart Survival Food (on a budget)
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Old Hand
Registered: 09/12/05
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Loc: MA
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Dinty Moore Beef Stew. My brother and I ate a lot of it on a cross country trip once.
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#58900 - 01/23/06 07:53 PM
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Rapscallion
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Pantry storage foods have a few variables to consider. I try to follow these guidelines and examples:
Rotation: It is good to stock foods that you normally consume. However you should expect some dietary variance depending on status quo vs. critical event.
Economy: I like foods that give me the best bang for the buck calorie wise, looking at what gives me the most wholesome blend of fats, proteins and carbs.
Satisfying consumption: We all have our favorites, right?
Longevity: A lot of the larder of my pantry has a typical shelf life of at least two years.
So, things like spam and underwood potted meats, canned dinners (ravioli, just cuz it's one of my favs), dry pasta, rice, and legumes, instant oatmeal packets, spaghetti sauces; all these work well. I think just about any canned items are going to be fine so long as you scrutinize and reject dented ones.
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#58901 - 01/23/06 09:01 PM
Re: Wal-Mart Survival Food (on a budget)
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Namu (Giant Tree)
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If you wouldn't normally eat something, don't think you'll be any happier about it in a survival situation. Of course, one would get to the point that any food would be welcome, but my point is (as was stated before) store things that are part of your regular diet. When I'm trying a new soup or stew for the first time I think to myself, "Would I grab this out of the pantry when the mood struck, or would I leave this till the last possible thing to keep myself from starving?" If I'd eat it on any given day, then I'll buy more, but if it would be a last resort food, then I don't.
I think Ramen noodles have a shelf life of about 300 years, don't they? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Especially on a budget, you don't have to stock everything all at once either. Buy a few extras of the things on your grocery list every time you shop. Just remember when you rotate the stock you have to use the old restaurant acronym FIFO (First In, First Out). Most canned items have a shelf life of a couple of years at the very least, but if you rotate regularly, then you won't have to find out how accurate the shelf life date is.
And I agree, get rid of dented cans. In the 21st century, some people may find botox is okay to inject into their faces, but it can still be deadly to your intestines!
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#58902 - 01/23/06 09:56 PM
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Though for things like dry pasta, you have to consider your water supply. Unlike soup (where you'll still be drinking the water, less whatever boils away), the water you cook the pasta in might end up 'wasted' (ie, not consumed by a human). Unless you use the pasta as a soup base (chicken noodle?), or cook something else in the left-over water.
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#58903 - 01/23/06 10:01 PM
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Anonymous
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We recently bought several 'rolling' racks for canned goods (drop the cans in at the top, and pull them from the bottom to use them). Saves lots of space, and also handy for making sure you use them in the order you bought them.
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#58904 - 01/23/06 10:06 PM
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Rapscallion
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Water supply, yes, of course pasta can be eaten without cooking ( I nibble noodles once in a while).
Pasta water can be used in bread recipes, soup bases, for boiling fresh veggies, or for cooking more pasta. Boil it and cover it tightly and it'll keep tepid for a couple days without turning sour.
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#58905 - 01/23/06 10:41 PM
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Opposed to Bears
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Registered: 09/15/05
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Loc: Houston, TX, USA
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One thing that bears repeating, too, is to make sure and check the expiration dates of what you're getting so that you get the most longevity out of the purchase as possible.
I recently purchased two packages of Uncle Ben's Ready Rice for use in backpacking later this year, and pulled both out of the same container on the grocery store shelf. On the one package I looked at, the expiration date was 11/2006. When I got home, though, I noticed the other was "best before" 02/2006. Certainly not the end of the world since I plan on using it by then, but I would have much preferred to have both packages with November expiration dates for flexibility.
Another thing to consider is variety. Make sure not to lay up too much of any one thing, and put some though into how you might be able to mix different things together out of different cans to create meals that, if not gourmet fare, will at very least not become too monotonous too quickly.
So, a short list might consist of:
Dinty Moore beef stew. (It really IS good!) Canned chili Tunafish, salmon Canned fish steaks (these smaller fish don't contain the mercury levels found in tuna, salmon, and other larger fish, possibly a serious issue depending on total intake) Beans, dry (protein) Beans, canned Canned soups Powdered soups Rice, parboiled &/or regular (Not currrently sure regarding difference in shelf life of parboiled as opposed to uncooked rice) Oatmeal Instant grits Canned vegetables (corn, mixed, tomatoes, yams, green beans, etc.) Instant mashed potatoes. Bisquick. Lots of bisquick. Honey. Salt, iodized Pepper, unground corns. Condiments (ketchp, mustard, mayo, etc. Tabasco gets its own line.) Tabasco sauce <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Tea Coffee Cocoa Powdered milk Condensed milk Powdered eggs. Ovaltine (chocolate, vitamins) Vitamins (coincidentally, also has vitamins) Hershey's chocolate bars w/o nuts Hard candy (Jolly Ranchers, etc.) Ramen. (Ick.)
As mentioned, pasta water can be used for a number of things after the pasta's done. You can use it to soak beans for the next evening's meal, or use as the basis for a soup. As luck would have it, this is particularly convenient if you're making some sort of noodle soup!
In keeping with Benjamin's post, ramen can be eaten uncooked, too, (and this is actually the only way I personally find most brands palatable). I believe that pasta can be soaked to reduce cooking time, but my culinary training has kept me from experimenting with that particular blasphemy to date.
Maybe this weekend... <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#58906 - 01/24/06 12:31 AM
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Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 417
Loc: Illinois
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Dented isn't neccesarily a problem. When I was a kid, my uncle had a distributorship for Del Monte. He got all the dented cans back from the stores for credit, Del Monte got the labels back to credit my uncle, and the family got the dented canned goods... the bulging cans are the ones you throw away without opening <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Troy
P.S. In my lifetime, I've eaten CASES of dented canned goods with no ill effect.
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#58907 - 01/24/06 12:36 AM
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Namu (Giant Tree)
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I've seen things like that. Where did you get them? I think that would be a good addition to my set up.
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#58908 - 01/24/06 01:28 AM
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Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 171
Loc: Georgia, USA
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The Container Store http://www.containerstore.comMy wife, whose goal in life is to find new projects to keep me busy on my days off, took me to one of these stores a while back. They have all kinds of stuff for storage of all kinds of things around the house and for travel. They have can racks like I think you are talking about. They also have many other types of racks/shelves that help maximize storage areas. Folks here who are aways looking for the perfect size/shape of container should check them out. They have everything from 2 oz Nalgene bottles to 10 gal food grade buckets. Why does this remind me of the old Saturday Night Live skit about the Scotch Tape Store?
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#58909 - 01/24/06 02:10 AM
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Namu (Giant Tree)
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I looked at the can racks, and they didn't exactly trip my trigger, so to speak. I did get a lot of other storage ideas though, so thanks for the link! I did a search for "gravity feed can racks" and found canracks.com for the DIY type people. It looks like the plans they sell will let you build a can rack to suit your needs. Check it out! Note: I have no connection to the site. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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#58910 - 01/24/06 06:53 PM
Re: Storing canned food
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Journeyman
Registered: 10/05/05
Posts: 71
Loc: Spring, TX
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I have a small pantry, and I finally found a way to store canned goods that I am happy with. I looked into the rolling can racks and decided that they wouldn't suit my purpose. They take too much space per can, and it isn't modular enough for my needs. Here's what I did. I noticed that the canned goods I buy come in only a few sizes, and most of them are the same size. - small cans (mushrooms, tomato sauce, corn) - regular cans (the most common size) - large cans (canned pineapple) - squat cans (tuna fish, canned chicken, etc.) Here's what I did for the regular & small cans, and I am about to do with the large cans. I built little boxes that hold four cans lying on their sides. One box fits very nicely on my pantry shelf. I have over a dozen of these boxes stacked on my pantry shelf. Each box has up to four cans of identical food. I use a magnet to roll the cans out, and a string to hold the cans in the front. This way, I can store over fifty cans (with over a dozen different types) with very little wasted space, and easy random access to any single type of canned good. For rotating the stock of canned goods, I have my "understock" under the kitchen sink. I have more canned goods in similar boxes. When I run out of say, green bean in the pantry, I pull out green beans from my understock and fill up the pantry. When I move the last green beans from understock to pantry, I know that it's time to by a dozen more cans of green beans. The new cans of green beans go straight to the understock. I don't worry about the rotation of the cans in the understock, because they were all purchased at the same time, and I don't buy more until the understock is empty. What I like about my system: - It's easy to keep a decent rotation on all of my canned goods.
- I have immediate random access to whatever type of canned good I want.
- I can remove whatever cans I want at a time without disturbing any other cans.
- I have very little wasted space in my pantry due to stacking canned goods.
- I never worry about running out of a particlar type of canned good, because I have an automatic trigger for when to buy more.
My next project is cages for organizing food in my freezer ... -Kuovonne
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#58911 - 01/24/06 07:08 PM
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Watch what goes on under your sink, a little bit of moisture can do a lot of damage.
Dave
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#58912 - 01/24/06 07:33 PM
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Anonymous
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QVC of all places had the best can storage rack (the Rack and Stack) that I could find short of making one.
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#58913 - 01/24/06 07:34 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Dented isn't neccesarily a problem True, but we should at least inspect every dented can before eating from it. A dent along a seam (along the side or where the lid is sealed) could potentially have compromised the contents. A bad enough dent, regardless of location, can also damage the interior lining of certain cans and something acidic like tomato sauce can begin to attack and interact with the can itself over time. Anyway, just a caveat to keep in mind.
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#58914 - 01/24/06 08:00 PM
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Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 417
Loc: Illinois
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True... common sense is called for <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Troy
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#58915 - 01/25/06 12:09 AM
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Rapscallion
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Yep, that's what I was saying too. Dents can be okay, just check them when you get them.
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#58916 - 01/25/06 03:36 PM
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Registered: 01/10/06
Posts: 17
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It depends on how much food and how long you need to store it. Bulk food on a budget? I use my chicken feed. I just buy a few extra months of some grains from the feed store. The buckwheat I get from the feed store is the same stuff they use for the maple syrup festivals. The millet I get is perfectly edible (for people) as well. You do have to vibrate out the occasional small stone and debris. The stones settle to the bottom and the debris (plant stems and such) filter to the top. Grain seeds store for a very long time as long as you don't crack them. You will need a grain grinder to make flour from the buckwheat. Other grains like wheat, oats (rolled) and rice would supplement.
Obviously you want a variety. These bulk grain seed would help increase your supply. Canned food has a psychological effect that is important in the first few days of a situation. But I would not trust them for nutritional value. Just raw calories.
Also, store vitamin C !!! You cannot beat vitamin C for cheap health care. You will be under stress and require more vitamins, not less.
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#58917 - 01/26/06 08:23 PM
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I have made an effort to learn to cook noodles and rice with the near-minimum of water. For one person and 100g of rice/noodles you seem to need about 300g of water. Ideally the food doesn't need to be drained at all when it is done. You still lose some (about 100g as I recall) to evaporation.
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#58918 - 01/26/06 08:28 PM
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Veteran
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well, yes, we are talking survival here, not gastronomy .... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Ideally, it's 1 liter of water for 100g of pasta (ask any Italian ... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)
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#58919 - 01/26/06 08:50 PM
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Anonymous
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Thanks to all for the info. I will put more effort to stock up. However, you forgot the most important thing: Pickled Herring!
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